David Cameron to Trump: Your ‘fake news’ act is ‘dangerous’

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  1. Margot2

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    That's not what he fellow generals have said.. he went wrong with greed and vengeance.
     
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    How about a link.
     
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    You can call it whatever you want. But you can't make a case for your claim.

    Donald Trump has been singularly devoted to betraying the legacy of Churchill and Roosevelt.

    He has an affinity for strong men and right wing dictators (Edrogen, Putin, Duterte). He openly admires facist tactics, and is cultivating a cult of personality. He has expressed support for facist movements in Poland and Hungary.

    His foreign policy (such as it is) celebrates regional division, and pariochial isolationism. These are the very forces that enabled Hitler to succeed.

    He would have been far closer to teh Cliveden Set, Joe Kennedy and Charles Lindberg, than he would have been to Roosevelt and Churchill.

    Today, the Trump foreign policy seeks to kowtow to Vladimir Putin. Trump denies the overwhelming evidence taht Russian intelligence has been running campaign to influence elections in rival countries (not just the US). He has given Putin free reign in the Ukraine. He has not criticized Putin, and even attacked his own intelligence community for their work on Russia. Meanwhile Russia, with Trump's by your leave, has consolidated its victory in Syria and is now dictating the political situation in the Lavant.

    When Putin expelled hundreds of American diplomats from Russia, the biggest such expulsion since WWII, Trump took it lying down.

    There is little doubt that he would have treated Hitler exactly the same way, had he been president in 1940.
     
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    One of the reasons, yes. It's nice to see someone that doesn't turn the other cheek or shrug while they're getting screwed.
     
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    Greed and Vengence ok why didn’t Obama charge him? I’m really confused here, he made that money under Obama? Comey said there wasn’t enough to charge him with a crime? Let’s be honest here he made a dumb mistake, same as Hils, they lied to the FBI. One got off free the other was used as a pawn to prove the existence of the special counsel.
     
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    If that's all it required.
    Otherwise I'd exclude the student from the class, and ultimately the school if needs be.


    Plenty of ways to deal with an unruly child. A timely put down is just one tool in a good teacher's armoury.
    In the end a classroom is a crowd control situation. It is not the place of a student to be in charge of it.

    I highly doubt that I am part of your education system, however. Which must come as a welcome relief to the both of us.
     
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    Good God Man you’ve literally lost it with your sensanalism of all things Trump. You have to be some crazy or stupid, to some how compare Hitler and Trump.
     
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    [QUOTE="AmericanNationalist, post: 1068397678, member: 63456" America's media in 2017 is a sad shell of its former self. And the idea that just because other media outlets have gotten things incorrect means that we should give CNN,etc the blank check card.....No.

    Or how about the one that preempted Comey's comments(his testimony after being fired) and that ended up being totally wrong as well. There've been many comical errors in this ongoing tragedy. So forgive me if I don't trust the MSM. I only trust reading and verifying. And sometimes that's hard to do when the source is purposefully deceitful or emotional in its reporting(that's right, emotional. We can hardly say they're neutrally being objective.)[/QUOTE]

    "The real 2017 lie of the year was on Flynn's supposed testimony. It wasn't even properly vetted! "

    What are you talking about????????

    Since you haven't been alive long enough to watch how a special prosecutor investigation evolves, you're obviously unaware that these things are often accompanies by stories that turn out to be premature or wrong.

    The overall sweep of the story and the investigation has been very consistant.

    At this point, there is virtually no doubt that there was significant collusion between members of the Trump campaign and transisition team and Putin's allies and Russian intelligence.

    All the more so, since Trump still issues angry and clearly dishonest denials, and refuses to do anything about the efforts of Russian operatives.

    Of course, the Russians own him, and have for years.

    All the Russians have to do is have their proxies call one or two of his loans, or stop providing financing when he gets himself in over his head, and Trump is finished financially.
     
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    I did not make a comparison. I noted Trump's open admiration for facists, which is no secret.

    I also noted his cultivating a cult of personality, which is in plain sight.

    I also noted that. just as Trump kowtows to Putin today, he would almost certainly have done the same to Hitler, and expressed his admiration for all Germany had achieved.

    Dispite all the bluster, flag waving, and chest beating, Trump is a weak and indecisive leader, particularly on matters related to foreign policy, an area where he appears to have very little understanding.

    Indeed, his base expresses the exact same brand of parochialism and isolationism that characterized the America First movement in 1940. It is no accident that that movement was strongest in the exact same regions of the US that Trump is today.
     
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    Being Americans why would we care what Cameron says anyway? We shouldn't care.
     
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    Someone has to deal with the situation in the Lavant, and frankly we're not up for the task. It's been more than documented that Washington insiders(stemming from even the past Obama Administration) armed and abetted terrorist organizations. It was even contested within the Senate, as obviously patriotic Americans wouldn't want to give US arms to terrorists.

    Given the actions of those within the Beltway, they wouldn't trust us there and I don't trust us to do the right thing either. The same thing was also seen in Ukraine, as we gave arms to the Neo-Nazis there(while we're on the topic of Nazis.) Until the US can be a positive influence in geopolitics, we should refrain from any such involvement.

    "It gives the Russians what they want". So be it, it's better than unmitigated destruction by bad policy.

    I've mentioned my ideal that every sphere of the world would be governed by its world power: Russia with Eurasia, Japan with Asia/Far East. And I'd say a combination of the UAE/Moccoro in the Middle East.

    Because see, I have nothing against fellow powers and the more stability the better. The US can be a world power while sharing the geopolitical table with others. That's my disagreement with the Beltway.
     
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    Trump is a man who does the screwing and if his vendors, contractors or investors complain, he crushes them. He does the same with women including the women he married and abandoned.

    I hope you come to a realization.....
     
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    Well said, but the MSM was not doing its job 5-10 years ago - it was a propaganda arm of the Obama Administration. As you may recall, Obama aide Ben Rhodes referred to the "progressive" Marionette Media dancing at the end of their strings as their "echo chamber".
     
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    I do not support the abandonment of the American commitment to world leadership which has been the defining characteristic of the Pax Americana and secured the world against conflict between world powers for 75 years. At the same time, global commerce has expanded exponentially. Diseases have been eradicated, hunger greately reduced, and the standard of living of every human being on earth has risen substantially.

    Your argument that we should abandon that and return to the world of 1914 or 1940 is naive and short sighted.

    And we already know how it turns out.
     
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    Yes, but Cameron is really just an irrelevant twit.
     
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    So did he kowtow to Putin when he bombed the airport they were based in Syria. See you most certainly did use sensationalism. You act like every thing you don’t like means you have the total picture and use that to hammer away, we know your game and it’s beyond ignorant.
     
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    Coming from a former prime minister of a country that has state run news and laws that can get you thrown in jail for saying something their government doesn't approve of
     
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    Obama fired Flynn over his abrasive mgmt style and not being able to get along with others. He had a longstanding reputation as a maverick before he went to the WH.. After he was fired that's when he went dark and his son is just as bad.
     
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    I'm surprised David Cameron could be so wrong.

    The suicide of the Fourth Estate is far more dangerous than Trump pointing out the incessant lies and distortions that the partisan "progressive" hacks in the MSM are constantly retracting.

    But people outside the "progressive" sensory deprivation tank get it - Leftists are okay with the misconduct of their Alinskyite comrades in the MSM. The problem isn't the MSM's abandonment of objectivity, integrity and credibility - the problem is Trump pointing it out.

    Proof, once again, that "progressives" can dish it out but they can't take it. Boo-hoo...

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    Trump attacks media when they report what he says and does. He is not used to being accountable or having a mirror held up to his face.
     
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    At least not one that he can admire himself in.
     
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    No, the President pushes back when they misrepresent or attempt to add a false context to what he says and does.

    They should stop doing that if they expect to survive in the long term.
     
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    The media has made a few mistakes but the covering of Trump has mostly been accurate
     
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    He must have touched a nerve since it's nearly a year to the midterms and three till DJT's reelection bid.
     

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