Dawkins, Scientific Atheism is a Fallacy & Intellectually Dishonest?

Which is exactly my point; it doesn't conclude either one. OTOH, any religion which pins it's beliefs on mankind being the only life in the Universe is going to have a crisis of faith if (or when) life is discovered elsewhere.

 

Great. Prove atheism is correct.

 

After how many years and how much effort? Did they conclude it didn't exist until they found it?

 

Scientists didn't believe in the existence of the Higgs boson, not in the religious sense of the word anyway. Scientists expected to find something that would explain the observed behavior of other elementary particles, behavior that couldn't be explained by what they already knew. This is how science works: incessantly testing new hypotheses until the results of the tests match observed reality. "Testing" is the key word here, as opposed to "belief only".

 

There lies the problem.

Though I feel given the choice between which of the two is correct, I prefer the Atheists in a way. A creator can simply be an incomprehensively powerful oppressor.



The quote almost describes me. God's existence or lack of has nothing to do with my ideals. Though I wouldn't exactly consider myself gentle.

 

Ummm, if God exists and was an "incomprehensively powerful oppressor", we'd certainly know it.

 

Agreed to a large extent. The problem is "testing", in fact all science, only applies to what's inside the Natural Universe, which is why it has a problem figuring out what took place before the Big Bang, why it came to be and anything else external to the Natural Universe.

 

Very likely. Of course, it all depends on one's method of oppression.

 

I can always tell when I'm being oppressed and when I'm not. You?

 

Now scientists have a totally proven theory about 13 kinds of particles. We could use for example this particles and give every apostle and Jesus a particle and pray in church services for example "Dear apostle Peter, take care for the Higgs Boson". But I don't think we will do so. Nevertheless we will pray for everyone, who lives in fear the clothing space-time of the universe will one day tear in parts and destroy every particle within a plank-time. We could say to this person for example: "Do not live in fear. No one is able to fall deeper than in the hands of god." After not living in fear of nature and scientists any longer this person could perhaps become on the own a scientist and will help for example the Bill Gates foundation to fight against malaria and for education in Africa. And god will smile. I love it to see god smile.

 

How?

Perhaps, it would create all kinds of 'natural' disasters and diseases to torment and oppress it's creation?

 

...by other things that exist yes. How exactly would you detect this supernatural oppression?

 

Actually, scientists created a hypothesis based on observations of other particles, mathematical calculations and deductive reasoning. They then created the tools and experiments to find it and it worked. This is exactly what science does.

 

Well, it seems you edited your post after and replied to it. Here is what it originally said when I quoted it:

I don't think you did it on purpose or to trick me, but I would have not answered the same if I saw the updated questions.

 

What's interesting is that it seems to only be Christians that care about anything Dawkins has to say. Most atheists I know have no clue who Dawkins is. I was an atheist for decades before I'd ever heard his name and it was Christians, not atheists, that were talking about him.

Richard Dawkins doesn't mean "Jack ****" to the atheists.

 

Here is what you wrote:

I was merely asking for details on why you think it is possible for an invisible dragon to be orbiting around the sun.

 

If you are asking me to prove atheism correct, you have either didn't read my other posts, misunderstood them, or are ignoring them.

 

Pisa nailed it, so I will just post the quote:

 

No you wouldn't. If God is omniscient and omnipotent, He could make you in a way where you wouldn't even realize you didn't have free will, you would just believe you did.

 

¿And? Why makes this wrong what pope Francis and billions of other people say? Why degrades this the declaration of independence of the USA to nonsense? Why are fighting militant atheists and godless Islamist together against the Christian religion? Why were the intellectual elites and scientists of Germany not a big help against Adolf Hitler? Why ...

 

We don't have free will, we just believe we do.

For the sake of clarity, I have to post the definition I use:
The power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion.

 

Take a look at the video in this case. Here it is again:



Not to forget: I only said "Sure it is" to your words. Christians don't believe in invisible dragons, the teapot of Mr. Russell or flying Spaghetti monsters orbiting around the sun. Christians found out - in this case the German cathedral canon Nicolaus Copernicus - that we all are orbiting around the sun.

 

Everyone is free to believe and think whatever they wish and everyone else is free to disbelieve them. The key is to believe in things the majority of others will also believe if you wish to have a popular opinion. As societies progress they inevitably drift toward rational and provable things because of our physical reality based cultural underpinnings. Holding opinions that oppose this reality does not lead to popular opinion in the end which is why the supernatural fades and fails and the natural sciences grow in influence.
"Gods" and religion are becoming superstition and fable as we develop further into an advanced stage of humanity and will eventually become akin to Zeus on Olympus...relegated into quaint historical fiction.

 

If the Univese is the created of an all powerful divine force, then to study the Universe and it's laws is to study the Divine.

 

You can tell by people who don't accept responsibility for their own actions, choices or perception of constant "bad luck".

People who believe others are jinxed, cursed or, conversely, made a deal with the Devil, would believe in supernatural oppression or help. Many modern Christians believe in the "power of prayer", that if a person pray's hard enough that God will grant them a material possession and if they don't get it, then they didn't pray hard enough. I'm more of a Deist in things like that since, why would an all-powerful entity create an entire Universe with specific rules then alter the rules on whim?