It's the best deterrent vs. suicide terrorists and young brain washed idiots, I heard young ppl speak in Ramallah during the "knife intifada" that theu would have stabbed as well if their parebts home wouldnt have been demolished. No and there is no "free property", Israel can't agree to hold building because that will mean it does see the area itself as belongs to one side and becasue freezing it for the negotiataion can take forever, so even remote settelments can't be halt without some agreement. BS, the ppl that live there are mostly religous nationalists taht do so for a pronciple not money, the ppl that do care for such things (like me) live in central Israel, I wouldnt live there even for not paying taxes. if you continue to talk out of propaganda it will be a very shallow discussion, unlike you I do understand the Pal narrative. Do you have a Palestinian support for that deal ? what changed Hamas refusal ? where do I see they changed a "no" to "yes" so we can both rejoice the new approach ?
Its not about Judasim, its about nationalism, in a continues war of 100 years you need to be more specific. Yea ? and what do our neighbors do ? turning the other cheek is from another book. "Promote Abbas" lol, and does the bitter enemy of teh Pal "promote" a leader of his choice among them ? So why dont they unite and agree toi continue negotiations ? Bibi has many things he "does'nt like" not just the mutual gov but he is unable to stop them because they dont want to, so I would very much like to know how can he stop a joined messege from Hamas + PLO that they have left their disputed behind them, agree to the deals signed with Israel and agree to continue the negotiations with Israel toward an indipendant state, please take as long as you need to explain to me how can Bibi stop theis declaration and how could he possibly expalin a refusal to go back to negotiations if such a statement is released. Many thx. Naivity in the liberal left, who would have guessed yea? how easy is that ? what will all the angry ppl do ? Hamas exists thou support of the Gazans, see we in Israel need to deal the "extreme settlers" and we use the army for that, what/who will contain Gaza ? Totally agree but if agreement cannot be achieved - perhaps a deal with Abu Mazen and go around Gaza... Nothing lasts forever...
I don't accept the theory that the reason for bulldozing homes is for security. It still involves theft of property. Theft of property isn't a solution to security. In fact, it causes greater hate. Go steal some property yourself and see if they like you or if they see that as a justification for violence. Israel hasn't even stopped building in settlements that Netanyahu agrees are illegal. And, I do NOT see further building as a legitimate method of attempting to assure the theft is permanent. Israel never asked Hamas. They have NEVER talked with Hamas. Don't tell me what Hamas has refused to accept when Israel has refused to do so much as negotiate a cease fire. Israel didn't even negotiate their departure from Gaza - a disastrous choice, as it affirmed the notion that progress could be made through violence rather than through negotiation.
What we see today IS Judaism, as the ethnic cleansing is oriented to religious boarders and methods, not the borders or the methods of today. Are you seriously suggesting that Israelis have a right to be upset if Palestinians react with violence when their land is stolen, their homes are bulldozed, their water rights are stolen, their olive orchards are bulldozed? I have NEVER heard of a people or a nation that accepted ethnic cleansing and these thefts and destruction in peace. Have YOU? Abbas has required Israel to cease ethnic cleansing during the time of negotiation. Netanyahu has refused. Do YOU see that demand by Abbas as being unreasonable? Do you think Abbas should negotiate for borders with an occupier that is actively stealing MORE land? Why should Abbas consider that Israel is bargaining in good faith if it can't stop ethnic cleansing for long enough to agree to a border??? I don't understand your proposal for what Abbas could do for Israel. You say something about leaving the dispute behind. But, the reason for the negotiation IS the dispute - the fact that Israelis are sitting on Palestinian land that they stole. Gazans don't have a choice other than Hamas right now. Remember, I pointed out how it has been suggested by many that Netanyahu can change that dynamic by supporting Abbas in Gaza - making it possible for him to operate there doing the work of distributing the food and medical supplies that Gaza depends on like animals Israel keeps in a zoo. And, by making it possible for Abbas to control border crossings - the source of revenue that keeps Hamas viable. Today, Palestine owns off shore natural resources. Palestine needs those resources for the rebuilding of Gaza and the recovery work needed in West Bank. Dividing Gaza and West Bank doesn't achieve the goals of any of the constituents.
Bulldozed houses or sealed houses of terrorists in the middle of a Palestinian town - are not being populated with Jews, perhaps you mix two diffrent things like annexing some land that 70 years ago had dwellers and destroying terrorists houses. Well the thing about negotiations is you come to the table with your side of the story and we come with ours and then we work something out, you know the Israeli narrative so no need for slogans now, if Israel agrees to hold building it means it already agreed the building is illegal, if it makes you feel better the building there is on very very slow motion, mostly statements to appease the settlers. Yes, I agree its stupid not to talk to Hamas as principle - unless there is some severe diplomatic issue with that like if Israel does recognize them they get immidiate recognition from other countries or some official position that will harm us in the future like trade rights - don't know, but its obvious that peace must go throu both Hamas and the Likud, the liberals sadly do not dictate the tune, I learned that in the 90's.... But for ppl that are so sure Hamas is all in favour of recognizing past deals and continue the negotiation had to hear it from some source, ill be happy to read that too.
The Israelis have torn down ancient Arab homes to build cheap, subsidized housing for Haredi Jews in Jerusalem.
No, homes are being bulldozed because of excuses such as Palestinians not having real estate papers that are satisfactory to the occupation force and because of Israel's decision to create open space or whatever on the Palestinian sectors of Jerusalem. And, they are just being torn down as Palestinians are driven off by methods such as property and orchard destruction. No, even Netanyahu recognizes the existence of illegal settlements. That is HIS story, not mine. Beyond that, there IS a border and Israel is occupying the opposite of the border and is encircling land with the Wall, positioned in ways that clearly have NOTHING to do with protecting the border. That's not me. That's Israel. Not talking to Hamas might be justified if Netanyahu weren't working to ensure that Hamas is the only leadership in Gaza, AND if he were talking to others. I've addressed that already.
These cases I heard of relate to "abandoned" land since 1948 and family members trying to assume custody while not actually living there, the only cases I heard of actual driving a family away from their home is with terrorists houses and illgal land grab by Beduweens in the South Those are very few and they are being persecuted by the army, during my service we arrested many settlers around Homesh illegal settelment which doesnt exist any more, that's not what it means to deal with the settelment enterprise, that doesnt give us any points with the PA or EU Which border ? we only have one with Jordan and right after the war who from the Palestinians talked about indipendance and by what borders ? none, all we have are 181 vote, Oslo and the International recognition of the Pal terretories, work a state from that, that by itself is not a state and not defined borders. Israel doesnt live in a bubble alot of its actions came as re-action, what you reject as a lie is fundemental truth to others. That's......what ? the fourth time you mention that? I ask again for some evidance that Bibi ensures Hamas when he can just switch them with Abu Mazen, I also remind you that Olmert was PM when Hamas took over Gaza and he couldnt have just "switched" them either https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict I dont think anyone can just switch leadership in Gaza without going in there and conquer it and I hope we will never have to.
And Jordan destroyed anceint Jewish homes in Hebron and Jerusalem during 1948 war and the start of thier occupation on the WB. let's try to be abit more objective here.
If true that would have applied to all religous Jews around the world, or at least in all Israel - it doesnt, not even among the religous. OFC Israelis have the right to be upset when innocents die, I also expect the Palestinians to be responsible and teach their children that there was a war (not just the Nakba) and that following that war negotiations should be proceeded, I expact them NOT to develope a death cult sacrificing their own future for vengence, a 13 y old child was never evicted from his home, his father was never evicted from his home - all he has are stories and promises from his priest before he goes out stabbing Jews, I dont see that as frustrated oppressed youth, I see the same dark Jihadi teaching that afflicts th erest of the Arab world. What is ethnic cleansing if no ppl are being ethnicly cleansed ? hold the drama, I agree it doesnt look good to build while negotiating borders but take a breather and try to be rational, Will Abbas declare ahead of negotiations that he recognizes the West Wall as Israeli ? do you think the Israelis will ever let that go ? both Abbas and Bibi have the ppl to appease, to make declarations ahead of negotiations is just another way to postpone it, there is a way to hold it even without saying it, they dont always build there anyway. I dont expect Abu Mazen to do anything for Israel, I expect him to assume control over Gaza in some way IF he is truely the official leader of the Palestinians, if that haapens - I would support negotiations. No...I disagree, Im pretty sure if Abu Mazen troops will come to the crossing driving suport trucks - they will get blown to pieces by Hamas, Hamas did win the elections in Gaza but the "power change" was escorted with many casulties, they are enemies, remeber the arrests IDF pulled in the WB of all Hamas ppl right after the 3 Jewish youth were abdocted and killed ? about 400 Hamas ppl got picked in 3 days - all with the guidance and support of the PLO, they feard a coup against Abu Mazen, they give the best Intel on each other - may sound like Im bragging but my hopes are truly for a single leadership we can negotiate with. That's another big problem, its either a divided Israel or a divided Palestine.
No, Israel has strong parties of religious Jews, and they most definitely back ethnic cleansing. If you have a charge to make, then make it. There is no question that Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing. And, Palestinian leadership is working with the IDF to combat terrorism and violence. Netanyahu is preventing that from happening. He controls travel, etc. He controls whether Abbas has policing power. He has used his political, economic and military power against Gaza to prevent progress on a unity government - including stating that it would be seen as a strongly negative act that would result in reprisals and a refusal to make negotiated progress not only on the problem as a whole, but on civil issues. You're totally ignoring what has happened over the last few years. FALSE! Nobody ANYWHERE has proposed anything that could possibly be interpreted as a divided Israel.
Today I heard the strange argument from an Israeli representative that the West Bank is not occupied territory but rather disputed territory, based on the weird logic (if I heard it right) that the West bank had never existed as separate territory! Isn't he forgetting two things: 1. Palestine was partitioned by UN res 181 in 1947, creating an area including land referred to today as the West Bank. 2. The fact that Israel 'conquered' (in their view) this land in subsequent wars does not entitle Israel to claim such land as 'disputed', for the simple reason that acquisition of land by force is inadmissable under international law. Just as if the Arab states had in fact defeated Israel in these wars, an Arab occupation of Israel would have been illegal. Zionists forget that the world has changed since a certain 'chosen people' conquered their 'promised land', aided by a God who authorised genocide as part of that conquest. Today we have international law to facilitate well-ordered relations between nations. We can all be pleased that this is so, despite the inability of the UN thus far to defend its judgements re implementation of such law.
Obama has aligned with the J Street Jews who want a peaceful solution to the oppression of the Palestinians.
Zero oppression of Palestinians .. Stop the BS. All restaurants and markets in Ramallah and other cities are full.. Everybody eat Baklawa
Are you forgetting that 1. UN GA resolutions are not legally binding. Read the UN website. 2. Israel only country in the world who is denied land won in a defensive war. Land was given to the Jews long before in the Mandate for Palestine. CAN YOU NAME A LEGAL INTERNATIONAL DOCUMENT WHICH GIVES THE PALESTINIANS AS A NATION THE RIGHT TO THE LAND? the UN doesnt care about laws it is run by a bunch of dictators protecting their own backsides. Qatar, Saudi, China, Cuba, Iran running global human rights. You cant make this stuff up. More resolutions against israel than all nations combined. UN have carried out more atrocities than most nations.
