Dealing with the illogical perceptions of White America

You really don't know any of that. You don't know if there were "plenty of women and people of color who were just is extraordinary and were never given the opportunity." In fact, this is just subjective nonsense. If your husband was, for example, chosen for a job that depended on a test score and "plenty of women and people of color" aced it and your hubby didn't, and he still got the opportunities, then you could quantify that as evidence of white privilege, but this is just based on feelings.

Feelings are not a good basis for public policy. I don't even think they are a good basis for personal ideology however that's up to you.

 

Well, my husband would disagree with you..and I think he knows a little more than you. He saw women overlooked who were just as capable as he. What you were basically saying that because there were no women or people of color, that they were obviously not as competent . Amazing that only white men were competent. I wonder what happened now that you see both women and minorities on the floor. I just guess they got smarter
When he became a successful bond trader he was instrumental in getting minorities and women on the floor. As a matter of fact he trained an African-American guy who opened his own firm.
I hate to say this but you have no idea what you’re talking about. Stick to something g you know about and don’t accuse us of being “emotional” My husband knows that he had the advantage of being white and male at the time

 

To those who may be inclined to buy into this line of BS, you should consider another scenario.

For any man to mature, to arrive at the point where they have self-respect and control over their own lives, they simply must find a way to do for themselves. There is no alternative, you cannot be dependent on others and independent at the same time. While our capacities to achieve vary, everyone needs to be as self-sufficient as possible in order to find themselves worthy- and there is nothing more valuable as a human asset, nothing more nourishing to the human spirit than knowing you can stand on your own feet.

Humans are naturally prone to weakness, to the easy way out. It takes courage to stand up and take control of life- and it takes motivation, and if you don't have that naturally, need will provide it. When welfare meets your needs, it becomes the solution- and the enabler that allows you to continue to avoid independence and gaining that best of all powers, self-respect. We must be very careful, able to know the difference between a hand-up that will restore a person, and the hand-out that will keep them weak and dependent.

If you give a drug addict money for drugs.... you help them avoid their own problem, and you keep them hooked. The hand-outs of welfare do exactly the same thing. If you actually care for the future of those people- you do not enable them to avoid responsibility for themselves.

 

Your husband can have children?

Is your “husband” a she?

Because only women are designed to bear children

 

Is this the husband you claim has a shotgun that cannot be used to kill 17 people in 3 minutes or so?

 

A non quantifiable anecdote being the basis of your ideology seems to me makes your opinions emotionally based, not reason based. But like I said, that's up to you.

 

This is the husband who went to a different high school, and he's from Canada, so you've never met him.

 

What the hell are you talking about? You don’t even know what you’re responding to

 

I’m glad you’re so knowledgeable about opportunities on. Wall Street in the past. I guess the facts are emotional to you. But you’re the Wall st bond trading expert . Did you hire many?

 

Fact:
Unless it is a muzzle-loader, your husband's shotgun can be used to kill 17 people in around 3 minutes.
Why do you let him have such a killing machine?

 

Huh? I have with wrong guy all these years? Seriously what are you talking about

 

He can kill 126 people in one minute with his Boy Scout knife, but he has me clean up the mess

 

No and neither did you. But the story you presented didn't show that he got the job because he was a white male.

Unless of course, he really wasn't exceptional, and was just a regular shlub.

 

Look at you avoiding the issue because it illustrates your bias, borne of ignorance.

Why do you let him have such a killing machine?

 

You were not specific in your post

 

He got the opportunity!!! Had he been a female or black, he wouldn’t have had the opportunity . Why is that so hard for you to understand. I couldn’t apply to Harvard because I was a female...do you see those males then having an advantage?

 

I’m not avoiding the issue, I’m mocking it because it’s a waste of time.
If I take away his Boy Scout knife, I’m afraid he’ll use a can opener lol

 

Maybe you should read what you’re responding to.....I was specifically responding to little mike

 

If you couldn't apply to Harvard because you're female, you must be in your 80's since Harvard opened to women in 1950. Which means I doubt your story of being a teacher is accurate since you likely would have retired decades ago, not still wrestling with kids in your 80's.

But in spite of your apparent falsehoods in your story, you do bring up a good point. Admission to a school that at one time did not admit women is quantifiable! It has zero to do with your husband's story of course but women who could have qualified for Harvard admission but were not allowed to because the school really did prohibit women at one time could argue they were discriminated against.

So what would you have done if your future wasn't robbed by the sexists at Harvard?

 

Oh, a study from Berkeley...

 

It is?

For days, you - like all the other leftists, almost as if you received the same training - bleated on and on about how no one needs to own a weapon that can kill 17 people on 3 minutes -- and yet you find you have one in your house.
If you REALLY believe no one should own sch a weapon you;d make your husband get rid of it - but you said you have no issue with him having it.

So... which side of the fence do you really stand on?

 

Let me educate you. We are talking about Harvard college, not graduate school. Harvard had a “sister school” but it wasn’t harvard. They merged in the seventies and that is when Harvard became co ed.
I am retired but I still give workshops to teachers and adolescents..,and I still keynote to teachers on classroom management because of my book.
So please stop saying I’m lying because you can’t reapond respectfully..you’re like a child. Your screen name is apropos
But as I said my husband must be wrong because you obviously know a lot more about going down on the trading floor from the back office.Why do you suppose women weren’t given the opportunity? Are women all that dumb?
I would have done exactly what I did because i didn’t have many options ....and luckily i loved teaching . The point isn’t about my occupation but it is about the discrimination of my generation. But what I have done in my life makes me very happy being part of the woman’s movement. Now we see women filling Harvard and Yale and Annapolis , we see women fill half the med school classes and law school classes...or do you think it all happened in a vacuum? And yes we see women on the trading floor...and not just secretaries . But in your world women and minories all had the same opportunities

 

I responded to your post that began with a quote by me

 

The man milking the cow sees the milk differently than the person in his home sees drinking the milk.

I am saying it seems to me that a good majority of women did not want to attend college. Nor for many years were they interested in things like voting. If is fashionable for some women to plead that all women wanted to attend college and all wanted to vote. But factually that is in question. At least by myself. Look at my own grandmother and my mother. Both did not finish school. Mom was very intelligent. As to Grandma, I do remember her as a young boy until my adulthood but she was not one you sat with and discussed things like this. She was a simple woman. She was used to living on land. She only lived in a tract home in Oakland, CA due to being driven her by her husband, my grandfather. He was not formally educated. Mom used to favor me saying he was very intelligent and knew much more than assumed. She alleged he had read the entire dictionary as a young man and knew the words in it. She also claimed he knew higher maths. I once tried to find out about this but the timing was lousy since he was then in a hospital and not in the kind of shape his grandson ought to have asked him about algebra. I by that time had two years of algebra and figured I could find out if he understood it. I gave up since his health was lousy.

I had uncles and aunts that may not have ever gone to high school. They had attended at least some grade school. Mom ensured I went to grade school as well as high school. I took only college prep classes but she had nothing to say about it. I prefered math and physics to shop classes. I never was motivated by family to attend college. It was as if who cares? My own children have gone to college. I have 2 daughters. Both got a degree in college or are currently getting one. I hope i influenced the two girls to do this. In my professional life, I have met many women and only a small number of them got a college degree. I work daily with a woman who has two masters degrees. She is not in the habit of engaging in much very serious talk. She did vote for Trump and she did come from MA and once supported Democrats. I enjoy her company. I have a step daughter with a masters degree who is a school principle but I take no credit for what she has done. Me and her mom divorced when she was maybe 10 yrs old and her mom was not much for going to college. She had never finished high school. She did not show any interest in college. She loved being a mother. She felt best raising the children. She kept them going to her church. She and not me was interested in her church. My interest in her children was trying to speak to them often about the benefit of finishing college. I was only around them 3 years. Most of that time I was off working to earn a living. As to me, I spent 2 years in college studying to be an engineer and more years alter on in business management along with real estate and law. So I do value education. Much that i know of and speak of here is of my own study. I have a large collection of technical books. Studies range from science to business to philosophy and history and a lot more. For example I have studied paleontology and biology and statistics and even Sun Tzu. I like to spread around what i study. Anyway, I do not want to pretend all women are like you are. I think it is great when they go to college and keep learning. I like to pass around things of value such as the awesome lessons of Jim Rohn. Anyway, too bad more posters do not give us any insights into their history and education. I enjoy hearing stories from the rest of you.

 

Don't blame me because you left vital info out of your story.

So how does this change my point? Women excluded to Harvard who otherwise would would have been admitted were discriminated against. Imaginary women and POC who may have been as exceptional as your husband don't seem to have as quantifiable a case. The Harvard story of discrimination makes sense (in theory) but your husband's story is merely an anecdote that has no bearing.