Debate with a professional Holocaust Denier

got any specific evidence directly related to the article, that the Life interview is a fake?

 

I just addressed this question on the other thread.
http://www.politicalforum.com/zionist-agenda/317262-evidence-holocaust-31.html#post1062997876

Here's the question from my last post that you ignored.

The viewers are probably pretty impressed by the way you ingore questions. You are a champion debater.

 

you claim that the Eichmann interview in Life magazine is a fraud.

yet you refuse to provide any evidence for this.

 

I just addressed this same question on the other thread. Here's the post.
http://www.politicalforum.com/zionist-agenda/317262-evidence-holocaust-31.html#post1062997953

 

you provided wild & irrational conspiracy theories.

you have provided nothing regarding the actual interview.

 

The Interview
1. The interview in LIFE Magazine is a partial transcript of a tape allegedly recorded by a Dutch Nazi and Ex-Waffen SS Officer namen Willem Sassen. He was temporarily arrested by the British after WWIi but then escaped to South America where he became PR consultant of Chile's dictator Pinochet and Paraguay's dictator Alfredo Stroessner. In 1980 he gave the tapes to Eichmanns widow. From there they went into the German "Bundesarchiv" and are not accessible anymore.
What is a little bit disturbung is that a Nazi and Ex SS officer who is hiding himself in Argentinia gives parts of a transcript of a conversation for whatever purpose he had with Eichmann to the press of the former enemy exactly during Eichmann's trial. First he should have feared that his hiding place could be disclosed by Eichmann and second the Ultra Rightwing dictators of Chile and Paraguay wouldn't have employed a traitor as PR consultant later. That does not exclude that the interview is authentic however. That is the problem with all those pieces of evidence which are under "lock and key". They do more harm than good. They arouse suspicion. Everybody must think: If it would be the fireproof evidence, those tapes would have been published since long.

2. Jewish population estimates

In the year 2012 according to the offcial Jewish Census the World population of Jews lies between 11.000.000 and 17.000.000 Jews, depending from the definition of Jewry. The first number are so called "Core Jews" who define themselves as Jews and have Jewish ancestry. The higher number is based on a more "generous" definition like including those having Jewish ancestry but not defining themselves as Jews and not having any other religion.
Take the USA: Quote: To assess Jewish population size in the US is probably not the most important or exciting, but surely one of the most intriguing, debated, and at times antagonizing chores—not only in demographic studies but more generally in the social scientific study of Jewry. Competing narrative and empirical approaches have generated diverging estimates, with a significant high-low gap of about two million, and opposite
interpretations of current and expected trends, ranging between rapid growth and slow decline.

That simply says that in 2012, in a time of peace, in a highly industrialized and technologically leading country out of the domestic population of 5 Million Jews an error of estimation of 2 Millions can occur. Compare that to an estimation of 1945 with large and unknown numbers of migration, death, non accessible countries or countries which simply not answer any request. The error margin of the estimation in the USA / 2012 is 40%. If the population would be 11.000.000 like estimated in 1945 a 40% error would mean "between 6 and 16 Million. In 1945 after the war that range of error without doubt was closer to 80% if not even more. In those situations people normally take the number which has the greatest benefit to themselves. Those who want to prove "nothing happened" take the upper margin, those who want to prove "near anihilation took place", take the lowest estimate. Both therefore cannot be called "liar" or "denier". (We do the same estimating the sizes of fishes we catch or some of our own body parts). The problem is that the error probability of the estimate was not given in 1945, which in fact make the given estimates of pre and post war populations not very reliable. It "proves" almost nothing but that people subjectively, deliberately and driven by interest are (mis)using under- or overestimations of numbers and sizes. That however is not necessary to be proven.

http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Studies/details.cfm?StudyID=595

 

Here's some stuff from the other debate that's relevant to this thread.
http://www.politicalforum.com/zionist-agenda/317262-evidence-holocaust-37.html#post1063018040

 

Here is an article from the Nizkor Project, an anti Holocaust Denial site:


The World Almanac for 1940 gives the world's Jewish population as 15,319,359. The World Almanac for 1949 puts the number of Jews in the world at 15,713,638.

"If the World Almanac figures are correct, "the world's Jewish population did not decrease in the war decade, but showed a small increase."

The 1949 figure offered by Mr. Djurdjevic was, as you're about to see, an outright lie, as was the conclusion drawn.

When citing the World Almanac as a source for data "proving" that there was no Jewish population decline during World War II, Holocaust deniers are simply propagating one of the standard denier myths that has recurred regularly for more than a decade.

The problem has nothing whatever to do with rates of population increase or anything like that. It has to do with how frequently the World Almanac's sources had access to fresh estimates of religious populations.

Whoever first started propagating World Almanac figures neglected to mention that all figures before
1949 were from 1938 estimates. Since the year of etimate is given at the top of the chart it is difficult to believe that the originator did not intentionally mean to decieve by negelecting this key piece of information.

I have posted the following correction several times:

The University of Alberta library has the World Almanac issues for the pertinent period for 1941, 1944, 1947, 1948, and 1949. The figures listed for total world Jewish population are as follows:


1941 15,748,091
1944 15,192,089
1947 15,688,259
1948 15,688,259
1949 11,266,600

Now you may be wondering what happened to all those Jews in 1948-49. No fresh estimates were made between 1938 and 1947. The figures listed for 1941, 1947, and 1948 are identified as estimates made in 1938. The source for the estimate for 1944 is not given, and the numbers are listed differently than in other years. In 1944, the numbers are given as a part of a list of various world religions rather than standing on their own with a country-by-country breakdown as in the other years.

Only in 1949 are postwar estimates employed, the figures given are for estimates made in 1948. A year or two lag seems to be common for various other population estimates given by the World Almanac.

The difference between the 1938 and 1948 figures is thus 4,481,491.

In 1949, however, the World Almanac gives a revised 1939 population of 16,643,120 giving a difference of between 1938 and 1947 of 5,376,520. Where the extra population between 1938 and 1939 came from is not cited, though one might speculate that it was based upon the Nazi estimates made in 1942 for the Wannsee Conference.

End of article http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/worldalmanac.html


The article has a few smaller problems: Someone with an unspeakable name is accused to be a liar because he used population statistics from 1948 and said wrongly that those would be the 1949 Jewish census data. That might be an error. It changes however nothing on the fact that those numbers did not change between 1938 and 1948. That is explained by the fact that all data before 1949 were copied from 1938 statistics. That seems to be correct for the 1948 poulation size being copied from 1947, both however like all others are different from the 1938 census data and therefore cannot have been just copied. The only alternative explanation is that those data have deliberately been manipulated to let them look like real census data, which clearly and simply would be fraud. Therefore I do not believe in this theory. In addition: how can anybody be accused to be a liar by someone later altering his own data by the not irrelevant difference of nearly one Million people? Even if there was an error which was corrected, it gives the author not the right to accuse someone committing a minor error to be "lying". The next accusations in this line are "hate speech" and "denial".

 

a professional Holocaust Denier - ain't that rich LMFAO !!!!

 

There is another interesting question. The age pyramids of those countries participating in WWI and WWII have two typical indentions from the human losses and the old generation has an imbalance to the disadvantage of men. Not so the age pyramids of the Jewish populations. Below are age pyramids of Poland, Germany, Canada and Israel. The Canadian age pyramid (like the British, which is not included) shows, that in comparison with the non Jewish population the percentage of very old people is higher in the Jewish population. How can that be explained concerning the fact, that 30% of that generation was exterminated? (Age pyramids see attachment)

View attachment Dok1.pdf

 

Anyone who legitimately denies the holocaust ever happened or that Hitler and the Nazi's didnt murder millions of jews is an idiot. there is no need for me to even waste a second of my time explaining how wrong they are. Being jewish, having lost family and my families friends having lost their family in the holocaust, having visited many of the camps, and having had the honor to hear the stories of survivors, there is not one intelligent human being who would legitimatly argue the holocaust never happened.

 

Here's a post I just made on the subject from another thread.
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=474495&page=2&p=1066628045#post1066628045

 

I have my rebuttal to Holocaust deniers ready:
https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/bitstream/handle/10822/553409/vansuchBryan.pdf?sequence=1
http://www.ncas.rutgers.edu/center-...tion-and-human-rights/nazi-euthanasia-program
All researched and Bibliographied.You Lose.

 

It's all second-hand info. How do you know the writers weren't lying?

 

Says the guy who uses his own forum posts and some sketchy outside forum and Holocaust Denial sites as proof of the Holocaust never happening.

 

Oh c'mon,I can't e-mail bomb ya for fun?

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Cuz there's about 100 of them and all their stories corroborate.Next!

 

You obviously haven't watched any of these videos.
http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0

Watch this one.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Auschwitz+-+Why+The+Gas+Chambers+Are+A+Myth&sm=12

Anyone who actually watches it will see that there's nothing sketchy about it.

I haven't checked into the issue of the medical experiments and some of it, or all of it might turn out to be true.

The revisionists don't dispute the issue of the Einsatzgruppen.
http://www.zundelsite.org/assets/981005.html

But this site maintains there were gas chambers.
http://www.ncas.rutgers.edu/center-...tion-and-human-rights/nazi-euthanasia-program

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The “hardware” referred to the technologies of murder, namely gas chambers and crematoria.
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That site maintains that there were no gas chambers (see first link at the top). That shows that the writer was either lying, or uninformed.

 

It is so sad to see that there are still people who cannot separate fact from fiction, you fall into the fiction camp .. there is more than enough evidence to show that the Nazi's conducted a systematic destruction of Jewish people (as well as others) and being that I am of German descent who has heard the first hand accounts of relatives who actually were at these camps .. your claims are nothing more than a dismal attempt to re-write history.

 

Link to some of that evidence and we can talk about whether it's bogus or not. Take a look at this page too.
http://www.nazigassings.com/