Declining births in the USA threaten the countries future.

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I really think there are some economic factors at play. When there are a lack of higher paying jobs for the men, the formation of families shrink, especially in higher cost of living areas.

    And yes, a part of it does have to do with cultural expectations. Cultures that are accustomed to living in poverty will go ahead and have kids anyway.
    Often there's not as big of an opportunity cost for them to do so, either because they live in a cheap rural area in a Third World country, or because they're on welfare. In either case they're not really forfeiting any good job opportunities by having children.

    One example of immigrants in America, it's very common for them to come from cultures where multigenerational households are the norm, where the married children may continue to live with their parents and even start their own family in the same household.
    In American culture, by contrast, there's often a cultural expectation that the children will be able to leave and go off on their own at the age of 18.
    When it would not be viable for adult children to be able to do this, American families may decide not to have children, if they don't want a child continuing to live with them after that child has grown up and become and adult.

    With American culture having higher expectations, it's no surprise foreign cultures are breeding them out.
     
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    So then unlimited population growth isn't necessarily required for economic growth.
     
  3. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    No, outbreeding doesn't work. What works is superior intelligence. You can breed all you want, but if you produce inferior children, they'll just be cannon fodder. They can die and well... maybe something came of it, but not really all that important in the greater scheme of things.

    Stupid isn't worth much.
     
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    The declining birth rate isn't our problem. Our problem is our government's spending problem and the Social Security ponzi scheme and "entitlement" spending.
     
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    Yes, the declining population isn't a problem for real men. In fact, after the black plague, Europe did exceedingly well leading us towards the enlightenment.

    The only people who worry about a declining population are those who require a welfare state to pay for what they can''t afford from their own hard work. That's why lefties are so worried about it, and conservatives are all... so what?

    The less sponges and parasites, the better. To the left... they worry a lot because they are parasites.
     
  6. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They'll be just smart enough to be able to pass down their genes.

    And what's that evolution going to look like in many Blue states that are increasingly Socialist?
    You see, you have an error in your theory.
     
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  7. Belch

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    socialists tend to kill each other in exorbitant numbers, so I'm not too worried. You guys are dangerous, but only to people who don't know how vile your ideology is.

    Retards will always be ruled over by their intellectual superiors.

    Let's just say that Colonel Sanders is not worried about chickens staging a violent uprising.
     
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  8. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm guessing you're not in the U.K., Canada, U.S.A. or Europe then?

    If you're in the U.S.A. you'd have to be stupid to think this won't eventually impact you.
    (Unless you have a terminal disease and don't have much longer to live)
     
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    Sorry, but your socialist dreams will never come to fruitition. You'll just have to stay poor.
     
  10. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Take a look at how fast the total population of California increased over the last 30 years.

    U.S. could easily look like Mexico or Venezuela in another 50 years.
     
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    The United States is looking pretty good on population growth for a developed country, actually.
     
  12. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    fueled mostly by immigration from other countries - mostly Third World countries where the birth rates are high
     
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  13. Belch

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    This is true. You''ll still be poor, so what's the difference?

    See, you don't know enough about history to know that no matter where you ***** stage your uprisings, be it in cuba, russia, venezuela, germany, italy, cambodia, you always end up poorer than when you started.

    So yes, you'll still be poor. History demands it.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I presume you don't have children?
     
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    Not "mostly." Our native and long-standing communities of Latinos and African-Americans are the source of most of American population growth.
     
  16. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The majority of Latinos in California are the children of illegal aliens. Not exactly "native and long-standing".

    African-Americans have been aborting most of their babies.
     
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    I do, and they are intelligent enough to not be socialists.

    They will be your ruling class. You....

    my sincerest sympathies.
     
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    No, they're not.

    Even the children of illegals are "native," and our Latino communities have been a significant part of our population since the Mexican war.

    Oh, I see, you have no idea what you're talking about.

    The African-American population in the United States as a percentage of the population is going to remain stable for the foreseeable future. Now, if the American population is growing, and African-Americans are maintaining their slice of the demographic pie, what is the implication? Simply: That the African-American population is growing. Hell, our white population is growing, if you disregard the non-Hispanic white vs Hispanic white dividing line.

    The United States is changing. Of course it is. We always have. And no, we haven't neatly converged into some monolithic melting pot culture, that has never happened. What has always happened is that massive immigrant waves either assimilate to a regional subculture (Italians, Irish) or form a new regional subculture (Scots-Irish, Puritan English).

    The question of our increasing Latino population is the big question facing the United States over the near future. But these facts are irrefutable: California and Texas are going to continue growing in power and influence relative to other states, and over half of the Latino population is going to concentrate in these two states. The cultural shifts taken by Latinos in these two states, and how other Americans react to those shifts, are going to determine the future of our nation.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At least about half.

    You used the terminology "native communities".

    That's a bunch of baloney.
    There were very few Mexican nationals in the state at the time of annexation.

    More on that in this thread: The Reconquista

    There are probably more illegal aliens in just one medium sized city today than there were Mexican citizens living in the entire state in the 1830s.
     
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    Decline birth rates are occurring in most areas of the world today.
     
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    Um...huh? Fertility rates are falling in all of the developed world, and increasingly the developing world as well.
     
  22. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, but birth rates in most Third World countries are still in very positive territory and their populations are continuing to increase.

    These are the countries we get most of our immigration from.

    And yes, the total U.S. population would have been shrinking instead of increasing over the last decade if it wasn't for high levels of immigration.
    And it's the gift that keeps on giving, because once they get here their women pop out lots of babies.
     
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    Nope, not even close.



    Would you agree that the United States has longstanding native communities of Native Americans?
     
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    Not so much.
     
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    The Hispanic population was the only group with a real positive birth rate but they are now also declining.
     
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