Define woke in a way that does not apply to you or your favored political group.

The way I approach the question and I really like that this posted because it makes you think.

I'm trying to explain it to somebody who doesn't know it right and left is regarding our culture it's not really aware of Marxism so without having to explain all of this dichotomy you just explain what woke is. And you can actually find things that fit this description on both sides which is also another component of it it helps you understand things you may not think about.

It's an ideology that kind of masquerades is supposed to modernism it's questioning a grand narrative while fabricating its own Grand narrative.

The thing that's wrong with it is the same thing that's wrong with critical race theory and really all Luke is is critical race theory applied to other things besides race and also for laymen.

To it helps to better understand what's wrong with critical race theory and I'm not talking about just that it's racist that's secondary there's other fundamental problems.

In critical race theory the problem with it is that it assumes that there's white supremacy and the only way to defeat white supremacy is with white supremacy. And setting up a new version of white supremacy within the system because that's all there is to better facilitate equality and that's why it's wrong because it's self-refuting.

It was meant to be a legal theory to help lawyers understand how to argue for their clients or against defendants in a system that is rigged against you.

It was never meant to be a grand narrative or something we taught in schools. I think once the uneducated Mass has got a hold of it they decided to use it for their own ends.

And that's all work is it's just critical race theory but for lesbians or fat people or whatever marginalized group you want to come up with and the sky's the limit in that regard.

 

Sounds like your labeling Critical Theory as woke. All critical theory is not an examination of society and is instead an attempt to shape society, disguised as an examination of society to better sell it to the masses.

 

"Stay woke" isn't something that the right created as an insult, although it's now being used by conservatives in an alternate context than modern leftists use for themselves.

Leftists don't want to be called marxists, even if that's what they're really doing.

"Wokeness" is about far more than just a financial class suggested by Marxism.

That's just a starting point because to them, your skin color is your financial class, and every other class (position on the victim hierarchy).

This is why they are so hard core into victim hierarchies, they will literally tell you things like "minorities can't be racist because they don't have institutional power". "Men can get pregnant". "Math is racist". Etc, etc.

There's plenty loaded into the word, but the basic precept is that everyone must be equal in all areas (except of course the one's that carry responsibility, they don't want that one).

They've expanded the classic Marxist argument beyond what it was and made it even worse.

The primary failure of Marxism, in my opinion, is the belief that it creates egalitarianism by virtue of it's model. Actual communism has never produced that egalitarianism, and neither will this. It just creates more conflict. You can't change human nature by virtue of a system of government.

 

I do no need to read anything you post. The fact you have resorted to insults tells me everything I need to know about you.

I would have some respect for you if you didn’t use easily transparent words like dim.

 

I am sorry that the truth, about your reply, so offends you. I can assure you, however, an easy way to avoid hearing such honest, if unflattering, evaluations is to not offer non sequitur, nonsense replies.

 

I'm not sure critical race theory was ever meant to escape a few law School classrooms.

But people who desperately want to prove how smart they are without being smart tend to attach themselves to ideas that are more suited for an academic setting.

But I definitely believe woke is the Layman's critical race theory

 

I always like to see people considering the thought process, itself, rather than the outcome. I find the process, the how we think, controls what we think... and the perceptions of all kinds of things.
Literally, the power to control one's own life comes from the accuracy of the how factors. Easy to teach, but very hard to learn for most.

 

Id say woke is the laymans critical theory. And the change of the name from Critical Legal Studies to Critical Race Theory was intended to take it beyond lawschools.

 

Dude have you ever actually read the foundational works? Can you even name them? Could you give an honest critique there of?

 

Many ideologies.

 

Well, for the current crop of neo marxist, the writings of Max Horkheimer, Herbert Marcuse, Theodor Adorno, Erich Fromm, Walter Benjamin, Anthony Gramski, Gyorgy Lukas and others. Sociologist and psychologist as opposed to economist. An evolutionary path to communism as opposed to a violent revolution of the proletariat.
Late 1980s Midwest City College was deep with this stuff.

 

Possible.

 

I could not agree more.

 

The damage we're doing to individuals and society with the "war on drugs" is significant. Federal spending alone...


If we spent some of the money were coughing up for law enforcement at the federal and state level on treatment, we could do a better job of helping those who want to stop using.

I don't care for Carson so I don't watch his show, but I can imagine the guy blathering on about something that dumb.

Algore isn't my guy, that's for dang sure. There's enough oil in the world we can keep burning it until we seriously damage the environment, but cutting it off without thinking through an alternative is nuts. We have Bernie Sanders saying how he wants to save the planet, but he rules out nuclear power generation.

Sure, take the whole mask thing. Why not encourage old people to wear masks because they're the ones who end up in the hospital--real masks that actually protect the user...?



You can buy a mask like this one for under $50. We don't have to get pushy with 25-year-olds. It's like some people can't think of anything other than getting pushy.

If old people don't end up in the hospital, our nurses and doctors won't quit (they're retiring in droves), and we'll have hospitals beds, doctors and nurses when we might need them.

Same with the shots. Make sure old people get them.

It was either Biden or Bernie Sanders. Sanders can't stop spending.

 

I taught history and economics for three decades. Marx was no economist.

 

Which any one who ever read "Das Kapital could tell you. Nor was he much of a philosopher for someone whose pipe dreams have gotten millions killed over the last hundred years or so.

 

No disagreement.

 

WOKE:


- Unlimited welfare benefits to all, including able bodied people who can work.

- No jail time or enforcement of the laws for anything but the worst crimes, but even then murders and child molesters get reduced or light sentences because jail is a bad place to be. This does not apply to those who oppose Democrat policies, however.

- High taxes for those who earn or have too much. This, once more, is adjusted for your political affiliation. Rich Democrats get a pass, especially if they contribute to the party.

- Open borders and free health care, housing and living expenses for illegal aliens, except those from Cuba and Venezuela who might not vote Democrat. They get kicked out of the country.

- Sky high energy costs for fossil fuels even if it ruins the economy and risks lives by pushing heating bills to unaffordable levels.

- Electric vehicles required for all even if the people can’t acquire or afford them. This will extent to trucks and heavy duty equipment, even if the technology does not exist.

- An end to all cooking with fossil fuels. This law is already in force in the Peoples’ Republic of Kalifornia.

- People of color have a right to riot, loot and burn their neighborhoods, on occasion, to make up for the oppression that they and their ancestors have suffered in the past. When the stores move out or are not replaced, it’s because of the racial oppression that has existed in the United States since 1619.

- Unlimited funds will be spent to defend the Ukrainian borders while our borders remain undefended.

- All drug laws will be repealed. You have a perfect right to take and deal in any dangerous substance, especially if it come from a cross the border. According to the signs on New York subways, you can be an addict and still lead a normal life.

 

If understanding Marxism involves understanding the Marx authored book, Capital, that is perfectly understandable. Marx didn’t know what he was talking about either.

 

Number 1... Don't believe such fringe nonsense.
2. Try finding real sources for information.
3. Prove your claim and show your work, what is this Marxist group and what makes you claim that? With a source.

 

How do you incorporate the left with Hitler?
Recently some trump backers had dinner with him, Ye and Fuentes, anti semities, just like Hitler.
Which shows the MAGA crowd are really the group most closely related to Hitler.

 

You are into group think. And you proved it in your 1st post in this thread when you had to use a inflammatory term, Marxist.
RW fringe people call those they don't agree with Marxist. That is most definitely group think.

 

That is a very woke statement.
You are enlightened to know absolute truth. At least that's what you believe.

 

Woke = Awakened = past tense of wake up.
No matter how one wants to interpret it for political or other purposes.

 

In reality, when has any conservative, at least president, been a true conservative?
Go back through history and see which presidents presided over the largest spending in terms of GDP.
Large gov't spending = large gov't influence.