Democrats file HR 420 to legalize pot

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  1. David Landbrecht

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    Any society that not only allows but encourages alcohol consumption only displays flagrant hypocrisy if it prohibits marijuana.
     
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    Had you properly read the post I said that we're free to do as we choose but can also suffer the consequences. I also said that many can use drugs and drink and have no problems whatsoever, as in my case, and that of many others as well. However it did affect some adversely, which I mentioned.

    The problem is that many don't know that they're potential addicts before taking alcohol or drugs or they may have avoided them.

    I think we've all seen drunks or potheads who feel their minds have been 'opened' but to others they're just dull and monotonous.
     
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    I had both.
     
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    so, many do not know they are allergic to nuts before they find out either... but we still sell them, we do not ban them

    that is your choice to take the risk and eat a nut...
     
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    sorry to hear you went to a mediocre school, our public schools here were great....
     
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    And not to tell the Netherlands, where it is since decades legal, eh?

    No ... the complete issue to put marijuana under illehgal drugs is wrong in its own!
     
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    That's not been evident, so far.
     
  8. Pro_Line_FL

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    Well, actually the States which have legalized pot have seen sharp increase in pot lined car crashes.

    Legalized marijuana linked to a sharp rise in car crashes
    About 14 percent of drivers under the influence of pot had a child in their vehicle.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/legalized-marijuana-linked-sharp-rise-car-crashes-n921511
     
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    Yep. He probably got his "info" from cnsnews.com, which is a right wing propaganda rag. I would not be surprised if they fabricated more fake news about California. Either way, it has nothing to do with the topic.
     
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    Actually there is no established causation which was admitted in the article.

    There is way more evidence of the use of cell phones causing car accidents.

    https://www.edgarsnyder.com/car-accident/cause-of-accident/cell-phone/cell-phone-statistics.html
     
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    Not only in US, but pretty much everywhere around the globe.
     
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    Car crashes go up in States which legalized pot, and pot in found in the victims bodies, while the States which did NOT legalize pot, the number of crashes is down. You can pretend there is no link to pot use, but you are only fooling yourself. If pot causes crashes, and cell phones cause crashes, then we have two problems to address. We cannot ignore one by saying "oh, but cell phones cause crashes too".

    If we are going to legalize it, we need to take an honest look at all the risks, and figure out how to deal with them.
     
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    Then why did Barack Obama not tend to such? Why did Bill Clinton not? Why does the liberal democrat party call for legalizing marijuana when it is the minority party, yet do absolutely nothing when it is the majority party in power?
     
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    I don't know, but it is probably due to the fact that they held power only for 2 years, which was when 'great recession' and healthcare debate were the priority. The fact is the an issue like cannabis legalization will always be a low priority issue. Also, it was before the legalization boom at State level, and before public opinion favored legalization. At this point they support it only because the majority of voters support it.
     
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    Ehm ... for better understanding: What do you mean with "pretty much everywhere around the globe"? ban of maijuana? That people with age 18 can buy a gun but cannot dring a Whiskey in a bar if not 21?
     
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    Careful, your hysteria is showing

    Take a pill or something and try to mellow out
     
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    Citizens force their personsl beliefs on others every day through government

    If you can vote and have voted you trampled on someone elses beliefs

    Or the winning candidate you voted for did it for you after taking office
     
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    What does it sound like? Vast majority of countries considered pot illegal.
     
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    The pothead chants of “give us liberty or give us death” beginning to sould silly

    Its as if they grew up without any limits to their behavior
     
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    The reason thebdrinking age in the US is so high is because many have to drive from a very young age. In some states you can see a 16 year old legally driving alone. Because America is primarily a suburban country, life without a car after you start working (even part time) is very difficult.
    Back in the day there was a serious increase in drunken driving accidents among teenagers wich led to increase in drinking age.
    So, 21 year limit is not about your abilities, it’s about driving.

    And to be honest with you, when I was 18-20 I thought the law is ridiculous, but now that I’m close to mid 30s I remember that some things that I was doing with my car on the road were just ridiculous and am glad I could not stop at a bar when I was 18, have 2 beers and drive.

    And for the record - I support legalizing everything, except for opioids.
     
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    Yep ... because they followed the USA in this case ... but more and more doe snot follow anymore ;-)
     
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    With us you are allowed to drive a car only at the age of 18 ... with 17 you can only drive a car together with an adult (over age 21) on your side. At 16 you are not allowed to drive a car ...

    Of course, there is the problem with drunk driving among young people (and everybody). With us, there is a limit of 0.5 per mille blood alcohol value from which it gets nasty with driving ban, fine, etc. because rated as a crime. At 0.3 per mille you get automatically attributed at least at minimum a partial guilt in an accident. Young people under 21 have by law a 0,00 per thousand limit with us!
     
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    Huh? You think keeping weed illegal keeps court costs down? Lol...
     
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    Lol - Not a single documented case of someone dying from too much pot smoking.

    This is why I think partisans are so misguided. Each side claims to love liberty, but they all come with caveats. All you partisans disagree about is which of MY freedoms you want to take away.

    Liberty is liberty - you are either in favor of it or not. You are clearly not a liberty lover.
     
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