Democrats Need Blacks Now But Will Flush Them Down the Toilet

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  1. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol...Still marginally better than murdering them for driving while black, eh?
     
  2. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Wow, as I suspected, anyone who thinks an Andrew Johnson quotation has anything to do with the Republican Civil War that's been going on the past two years is really out of it as far as the what's actually happening with the Republicans, but go ahead and fuss about the klan, Nazi's and white nationalists. It highlights your cluelessness on the subject.
     
  3. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When he is the President he will. If Donald's own policies and plans scare you, maybe you should consider another candidate.

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    Clinton proposes a tax increase on incomes over a million.
     
  4. vino909

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    So then, what is your solution?
     
  5. precision

    precision Well-Known Member

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    You have some good points here. That said, a couple of observations

    1. If blacks were actually to give the same level of support to Jill Stein that they are giving to Democrats, she would be on the ballot in all 50 states. Not only that but blacks could still vote for Jill Stein as a write in candidate in 43 states.

    2. Despite the unpalatable aspects of voting for Donald Trump, he has a very major trump card, and it is a whopper. Unlike Hillary Clinton, Trump has the sense enough to see that it is foolish to UNNECESSARILY take a confrontational approach to dealing with Putin. It is foolishness and will likely lead to armed conflict with Russia, a state that has a nuclear arsenal that is capable of destroying the US. That is the only reason why I have voiced some support for him here. All the racist crap, I can deal with myself. I know how to handle these types of people. I can't do anything about how this government chooses to deal with Russia. Hillary Clinton is listening to people who are foolish. They are about to ruin the whole world. It is so sad that people do not realize what is happening.
     
  6. precision

    precision Well-Known Member

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    :roflol:

    What's up slick!!

    Yeah I hear bro. The thing is this tho, you won't be able to surf any more if Hillary Clinton gets us into a nuclear war with Russia. Think about that.
     
  7. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm sure Black Americans are just lining up to take advice from a bunch of racists on an internet forum.
     
  8. precision

    precision Well-Known Member

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    No you are still wrong. He won't have the power to do it if he is the president. Its just not there. Stop with the scare tactics. THE FACT IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION WILL NOT BE SHUT DOWN (EXCEPT FOR TIDBITS) IF TRUMP BECOMES PRESIDENT.


    So the hell what? Even if it passes, every damn penny of it and more will be soaked up by the war she will start in Syria.

    Again, Hillary Clinton has, like the stupid idiot she is, mopped herself, and the whole world, into a corner by labeling Putin as Hitler. She can't back down now. So we are going down that road that will lead to a nuclear war because of her and her neocon buddies stupidity. Its very sad.

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    Oh? You are a racist? Sorry to hear that.

    The thing is this, blacks want to live like everybody else. If they don't want this country to end up destroyed by nuclear war, they had better try to keep Hillary Clinton out of the white house.
     
  9. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    What blacks could have done is irrelevant and write-in ballots really aren't counted unless they statistically matter for the election. Blacks don't comprise a large enough percentage of the electorate to elect a president.

    Russia and the United States are not going to war, ever. Neither Russia or the United States could win a nuclear conflict because both would lose so that's a no-go and Russia doesn't even represent a serious threat of attacking or invading much less defeating the United States in a conventional war.

    Outside of Donald Trump being completely ignorant when it comes to our government, how it operates, the US Constitution, the laws of the United States and he's even ignorant on the issues the fact that he's the banner carrier for White (Male) Supremacy/White (Male) Nationalism is why he should never, ever, become the President. White (Male) Supremacy/White (Male) Nationalism has always been the primary opposition and barrier against moving forward in changing our society and government to fulfill the ideology upon which America was founded as advocated and expressed by the founders in these two lines from the Declaration of Independence:

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men (people) are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable (natural) Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men (People), deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

    It was White (Male) Supremacy/White (Male) Nationalism that allowed slavery to continue to exist when America was founded.

    It was White (Male) Supremacy/White (Male) Nationalism that allowed the violations of the natural rights of the Native-American people.

    It was White (Male) Supremacy/White (Male) Nationalism that revoked the right of non-citizens to vote after ratification of the 15th Amendment.

    It was White (Male) Supremacy/White (Male) Nationalism that prevented women from voting for over 100 years.

    It was and is White (Male) Supremacy/White (Male) Nationalism that lead to Jim Crow in the former Confederate States and more recent Jim Crow voting laws such as the voter ID laws that disenfranchised minority voters that is always based upon demographic information on minorities.

    It was and is White (Male) Supremacy/White (Male) Nationalism that imposed immigration restrictions on non-WASP's staring with the Chinese Exclusion Act ignoring the fact that the Constitution never granted any authority to Congress to control immigration.

    It was and is White (Male) Supremacy/White (Male) Nationalism that denies permanent resident non-citizens from voting in spite of the fact that both Article I and the 17th Amendment explicitly establish that members of Congress are to be elected by the "People" which includes both the citizen and non-citizen permanent residents of the United States.

    We will never reach the ideological goals established by the founders of America in changing both society and government so long as the White (Male) Supremacists/White (Male) Nationalists, that Donald Trump represents, remain a political force in America and the election of Donald Trump would be a set-back to our American ideology of epic proportions. White (Male) Supremacists/White (Male) Nationalists are the most "un-American" of all those living in the United States surpassing even the "illegal" immigrant population they complain about (because they're "Non-WASP's") because the "illegal" immigrant opposes White (Male) Supremacy/White (Male) Nationalism in the United States.
     
  10. Battle3

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    Yes, imagine the impact of all those black kids getting an actual education, learning to think for themselves and to think critically, and realizing that they have been lied to for 50 years by "progressives".
     
  11. precision

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    No it is relevant because blacks can still vote for Jill Stein, although it is not likely to happen.

    Although that is true, it is also true that they form enough of a percentage of the electorate to deny Hillary Clinton the presidency, IF they were to vote for another candidate.

    I'm sorry, but this is the very type of foolishness that people like Ariel Cohen subscribe to. It is very, very dangerous and is the very reason that we are in a situation where US forces may indeed DIRECTLY clash with Russian forces when Hillary Clinton becomes president. Because Russia cannot win a conventional conflict with the US is the very reason why a nuclear conflict would become a very likely scenario. What will happen is that US forces will clash with Russian forces in Syria. The conflict will widen, and then we will attack the seat of Russian naval power at Crimea. Russia cannot lose that battle. If they do, the Russian state is finished. It will be worse off than Greece is now, reduced to nothing but begging for mercy at the hands of the cruel task masters of the global financial system. Both Russia and the US have defense doctrines that state they will indeed use nuclear weapons, EVEN IF NOT ATTACKED FIRST, IF THE STATE IS THREATENED. That will happen and we will indeed go down that road. The problem is that once you start to commit yourself in certain ways, it becomes more and more difficult to back down without being seen as being weak. That is the problem and that is why what you just said is very dangerous foolishness. Please do not take that personally, because honestly and with the utmost humility, I mean you no harm. Its just that that notion is very dangerous and needs to be called out for what it is.

    That is a very powerful, compelling speech. However, I will say that although it is certainly true that Donald Trump does excessively pander to white racism, I don't think he himself is a extremely malicious, vindictive racist. My read is that he, like SOME others in the Republican party, are playing a political game to get votes. We should also note that although she has not done it to the extent that Trump has, Hillary Clinton in the past has dabbled a bit in playing to white racism.

    That said, for me personally, I feel that the greater goal of preventing the neocon warmongers from having a suitable vessel in the white house is worth making the sacrifice of having Donald Trump in there. Yeah, its hard to stomach. But I would rather that than see the whole world get blown to bits.
     
  12. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    After taking their vote in the last two elections, tell libs, what has Obama done for the black community.
     
  13. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Why in the hell would they want to deny Hillary Clinton the presidency when that would result in Donald Trump, a "Republican" being elected?

    Republicans oppose the Voting Rights Act, the Equal Pay Act, the Civil Rights Act, Affirmative Action, the "War on Poverty" that was to provide federal funding for special education and job training benefits, all of which benefit blacks in America and Republicans also support the "right to discriminate" based upon invidious personal opinion as well as Jim Crow voting laws that disenfranchise black and Hispanic citizens denying them representation in government.

    Add to that the fact that Donald Trump is the Republican candidate with a history of being a racist going back to 1973 when, in partnership with his father, they refused to rent to blacks in several dozen of their NYC apartment complexes and that even today, based upon a statement by Republican Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, uses "textbook racist" statements.

    Hillary Clinton isn't the best advocate for blacks in America but at least she's not the "enemy" of blacks in America while the Republican Party and Donald Trump unquestionably are the enemy of Black Americans. Any black person that doesn't vote for Hillary Clinton or Democrats today is, by default, helping elect their proven enemy to the Presidency.

    I'm a Libertarian, and Libertarians are advocates for the civil rights, very much aware of the fact that the civil rights of blacks are being severely violated in America today, but even I would call a black person voting for Gary Johnson foolish because they have to prevent Donald Trump and Republicans in general from controlling our government and the only way they can do that today is to vote for Democrats. First and foremost blacks need to defend themselves from their enemies and Republicans are the open enemies of blacks in America today.
     
  14. precision

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    I will tell you why in the hell. To avoid being destroyed in a nuclear war. That's why.
     
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    Being the great poet that I am, I have composed the following poem

    *clears throat*

    If you want more war
    Hillary's your gal
    Neocon whore
    Robert Kagan pal

    Damn! Not bad!!! *roflol*
     
  16. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    How about the Department of Justice under President Obama that has filed lawsuits against several police departments where racial profiling and anti-black racial prejudice was evident and confirmed by the federal courts. I'm not sure of how many but I know that the Seattle Police Department was one because I lived near Seattle when the case was heard a couple of years ago. Sheriff Joe Arpaio (arguably the most racist cop in America) and the Maricopa Sheriffs Department were also busted for racial profiling by the Federal courts.

    Of course legislatively President Obama hasn't had much success because of Republican control in the House since 2012 and both the House and Senate more recently because Republicans are openly opposed to civil rights for minorities and women in America today. As everyone knows it's even worse than just racism in the Republican Party that's prevented President Obama from doing a lot more for the American people. It's been the "Oppose Anything Obama" especially if it was good for Americans because the Republicans intent was to make the Obama Presidency the worst possible presidency by obstructionism. The last thing they wanted was for President Obama receiving recognition for doing something that benefited Americans so they opposed any proposals he offered that would accomplish that.

    It's ironic that Republicans condemn President Obama for not accomplishing many things, such as doing more for blacks, when its been the Republicans in Congress that prevented Obama from doing most of what he wanted to do. President Obama didn't help blacks as much as he could have because of Republicans that blocked Obama's every effort even when we ignore the anti-black racial prejudice by eight out of ten of Republican in America today.

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    How about the Department of Justice under President Obama that has filed lawsuits against several police departments where racial profiling and anti-black racial prejudice was evident and confirmed by the federal courts. I'm not sure of how many but I know that the Seattle Police Department was one because I lived near Seattle when the case was heard a couple of years ago. Sheriff Joe Arpaio (arguably the most racist cop in America) and the Maricopa Sheriffs Department were also busted for racial profiling by the Federal courts.

    Of course legislatively President Obama hasn't had much success because of Republican control in the House since 2012 and both the House and Senate more recently because Republicans are openly opposed to civil rights for minorities and women in America today. As everyone knows it's even worse than just racism in the Republican Party that's prevented President Obama from doing a lot more for the American people. It's been the "Oppose Anything Obama" especially if it was good for Americans because the Republicans intent was to make the Obama Presidency the worst possible presidency by obstructionism. The last thing they wanted was for President Obama receiving recognition for doing something that benefited Americans so they opposed any proposals he offered that would accomplish that.

    It's ironic that Republicans condemn President Obama for not accomplishing many things, such as doing more for blacks, when its been the Republicans in Congress that prevented Obama from doing most of what he wanted to do. President Obama didn't help blacks as much as he could have because of Republicans that blocked Obama's every effort even when we ignore the anti-black racial prejudice by eight out of ten of Republican in America today.
     

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