Democrats now making it legal for ILLEGAL aliens to vote in upcoming elections

By math, who became the president? Can you count electoral votes?

 

It matters not the electoral college is there to give states representation!

Without it the US wouldn't be a collection of states any more, it would be dictated by the place with the largest population and within 2 decades a 3rd world country.

 

So basically we should ignore the votes of others because they don’t align with your ideology?
That about sums up gerrymandering.

 

Obviously

We have a president the majority of americans voted against. That is a SERIOUS flaw in our system.

So in stead of having CA and NY determine the president, in the EC system, OH, MI and PA do. How is this any different?

 

where are you getting lost? The claim was Trump received more American votes. This is demonstrably false. Clinton received millions more than trump did.

 

never said the EC doesn't exist, or select the president.

unsupportable nonsense. It is a travesty of democracy that a president is holding office, that the majority of americans voted against.

 

Since it says what I just said, are you just showing me how informed I am?
Although it does show my statembt was wrong, it’s not just illegals, it’s all non citizens who live there.

 

We must regress in history to explain the system. I will be brief.

This country has always had sparsely populated states and some with enormous numbers of citizens. Presidents are not elected at any point on the so called "Popular vote." In this system, there is no such legal thing known as the popular vote when it comes to the office of president. States are deemed an equal unit. Every state contains only 2 Senators. Big or small, each has 2 Senators. But when it comes to the people's house, the house of representatives, there the population does matter. To equalize this, after the Census the number of representatives changes per the population or popular vote. So for representatives, in your own state, you use the state popular vote to elect those people.

But not for the president. A president is responsible to each of the 50 states. So each state has the right to select him and the VP but this is not done using popular vote counts. Also consider your states Governors. This system makes all of them equal.

Each state must be given equal standing. Ergo we should never stop the electoral college system.

 

Glad I don't have to live in your head. It's a dark place.

 

Illegals. Living here illegally. Asking everyone to pay for their children's education but then thinking they should have a say in it.

 

Democrats going for those International voters. How American of them.

 

Right.

And consider how Progressives view illegal aliens in California. The CA Dem Party recently endorsed Kevin De Leon, the former President Pro Tem of the Senate, who admitted half his family are illegals, and nearly every illegal steals identities in order to survive.

If your an illegal using a stolen identity, what would keep you from voting? In California, what would keep you from voting if you knew you could claim ignorance, and the law would protect you?

 

Well stated with my condolences as a former long time California resident.
People who whine and pee their pants in consternation over the Electoral College are perhaps unaware that America has never been,
nor was ever intended to be, a true democracy (which the ever wise Ben Franklin once described as three wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner).

No, it's always been a "representative" democracy. And as you point out the individual states, which are America's fifty experiments in
freedom and self governance, are expected to represent their inhabitants in casting their vote for president.

As a child I remember being confused about the need for states to vote for president when the people already do that.
But as I got older and smarter I began to see the wisdom in not letting sheer population advantages be the sole measurement
of presidential electability so people in Montana, New Hampshire or Hawaii, etc., would perpetually be living in the shadow of California and New York who would ALWAYS have their needs met by politicians anxious to stay in office while the other states would wither from neglect.

I can only assume people who haven't gotten to that same level of wisdom and maturity and who want to abolish the Electoral College will hopefully one day catch on. But I doubt it.

 

Healthcare reform? What you got was the right, provided you are a low earner, to have the Feds pay part of your costs. But you were told to buy insurance.

Millions under the ACA when Obama was president simply did not have insurance. Were Doctors allowed to turn them away? By law doctors must see ill patients. Hospitals must also admit the sick. But that was not the ACA, it has long been law.

I realize how expensive Health care is. But if you add up the food costs per person over a year, that too costs a lot of money. We do not feed the population of this country. What else is high price. Rents and home costs are sky rocket out of sight. We do not have shelter costs provided to all of us.

This country including the citizens have limited ability to pay. Even if paying more taxes, we are all limited. The rich are special exceptions as to affording these things.

Trump can afford to own his own airliner that is very elaborately outfitted to be far more deluxe then the finest commercial airliner. I would laugh if you told me we all have the right to commercial flights merely because we need to be part of fast travel.

There are ways that consumers could have had an excellent health system. President Bush came up with the very best compromise. His plan set people up to choose from 6 plans. We would have a right to not be taxed on funds we banked for health costs. We would be able to keep those funds in some very high yielding accounts and not pay taxes on gains.

Democrats kicked that into the gutter by lying about the plan.

 

That pretty much sums up your position.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)

Reading the wiki would be a good start you have made it obvious that you haven't.

 

I see you also have comprehension issues. Either that or you are intentionally creating a strawman. Either way, your post is ignorant as ****

 

Again personal insults read the wiki then come back and tell us what's wrong with the electoral college when you actually understand it. Instead of just reducing the conversation to insults to hide your ignorance.

 

Preach it! The left has only ever been interested in single payer
socialized health care.
Obama Care is just their transitional model. They really don't care much for it, either.

 

Yes it does, but it's very true.

 

It's not. But liberals know Trump would have won the popular vote if Voter ID laws were active.

 

Republics are not democracies. I do not know why politicians who presumably studied this, persist on the myth we are a democracy.

I live in a city in CA that is a very nice city. Perhaps one of the best in this entire nation. We have ranked in the top tier for a long time. We are not a democracy. We do get to elect the city council. Then they take over and decide if they want to listen to citizens or not.

Let me give you an instance where the citizens voted and the city ignored our vote.

I was then in a commercial building of about 6,000 sq feet. It was split into 6 offices. The largest space was taken by a charity operation that deals with cancer. I had a man enter my office and asked me what I thought of being evicted to have the building demolished so some developer could take the space and construct townhouses on it.

First our lot. Along with this lot and building, the adjacent parcel with a much larger building containing a huge furniture store, some smaller places such as a martial arts place, a paint store and more was included. All of the commercial tenants were to be removed and the entire huge parcel be converted to town houses.

Previous city councils had zoned all of the parcels for commercial buildings. The former councils wanted all local resident to be able to shop local and support we local businesses. That smart plan existed since 1956. Fremont was a smart city to begin with. If you moved here, you could get local shops that you need almost in walking distances. Each local area has parks. We have a grand park with a lake, but each neighborhood would have a park where they could even have picnics. Each park has a lot of nice trees. And tables and so on. I also add that some neighborhoods also have their local lake.

This screwed up city council was then dominated by Democrats. I think that changed back to republicans when Trump won. We have mostly since 1956 had republican city councils.

in 1956 when this was virtually nothing more than farms, and the city could form, the grand plan was created and the furniture store and my office building complied.

The council did let us speak. We had well over 150 people speak to not build townhouses and keep it as it was originally designed. i do not know the number who could not attend but did write to the Council supporting my view of this, to stop this development. I believe those who wrote in did not approve it either. I recall at the meeting 2 who spoke for the townhouses. The council overruled all of the 150 present and accepted the developers instead. The developer is not as citizen of Fremont and the Furniture store owner was in favor of the developer. This comprised not one lot but several. So the city ignored the democracy bit and went wild on it's own. Today you could not get this city council to have approved that development.

The County routinely conducts business for the County but does not seek votes for their acts.

The State allows on our ballots from time to time, several issues get voted on. We have so many Democrats living here, guess who wins 100 percent of the time?

PS, due to limitations of open office space, and our high rents, I was forced into a industrial area in an isolated office with no frontage on the street. My former location had street exposure in a residential area. It was easy to get to the office. Now people do not expect RE offices where I am. And this owner is changing tenants by jacking up the rents to super high levels. He hears the media say rents are sky high so he is complying with the Media. He has lost 2 tenants this month but is not worried due to scarce places to rent office space.

 

It matters not the Electoral college is valid for a reason that only *******s refuse to accept because it's not going there way if the position was reversed you would never hear a word.

 

Very good. There is unanimity here.

We live in a representative democracy.
Not a pure or strict democracy. Not to repeat post #114 but you should read it carefully if you haven't already.

The welfare of the states is what the Founding Fathers hoped to foster and preserve. Not every single individual citizen therein. And the Electoral College was quite a good system to make sure New York or Illinois didn't completely run over the rights and welfare of Hawaii or Wyoming due to their respective populations.

 

CA as one state must be in love with illegals. They prevent cops from arrests over being illegal or even voting. Obama actually was correct to ask the illegal to vote since in this state nothing happens to them when they vote. Voting to illegals is encouraged by CA. Motor voter laws automatically register them to vote.

 

I wonder why we don't see more cases of people being jailed for voter fraud -- especially if you have evidence of millions of people voting illegally -- we should have plenty of news articles showing 100's of illegals marched off in a perp walk for illegal voting.

All I was able to find was this poor guy -- I mean, how can a former GOP chairman ever be guilty of voter fraud --- only libs and filthy minorities do that.
https://www.denverpost.com/2017/12/07/steve-curtis-voter-fraud-conviction/