Dems Admit Obama’s Not Eligible

As established by the 14th Amendment the natural right of citizenship (i.e. natural born citizen) is established by Jus Soli (Latin for the "right of soil"). The territory of one's birthright of citizenship.

This can be exemplified by the following hypothetical example. In the United States an unknown pregnant woman walks into a hospital and gives birth to a child but dies during delivery. No one knows who she is, where she came from, or anything about her. Her child is a child is unquestionably a natural born citizen of the United States.

The 14th Amendment does not mention anything about natural born citizenship being established by Jus Sanguinis (Latin for the "right of blood). A persons parentage is not a consideration of natural born citizenship in the United States under the 14th Amendment. Citizenship based upon the parents being American citizens is granted under statutory laws of naturalization by Congress and a person must file for that citizenship.

The fact that a person's parents being US citizens doesn't establish that the person is a US citizen is exemplified by the case of Leeland Davidson. Leeland Davidson's parents were both US citizens but he was born when they were in Canada. They never filed a petition requesting the Leeland be granted US Citizenship.

http://www.thirdage.com/news/leelan...d-wwii-vet-fights-prove-citizenship_3-25-2011

On a positive note since this story broke Leeland Davidson did apply for US citizenship and it was granted.

 

Being born with a British father did provide the opportunity for Barack Obama to petition for British citizenship under British statutory laws just like John McCain's citizenship was established. Obama never petitioned for British citizenship and even had he done so it wouldn't have affected his Right to be President under the US Constitution because he would still have been a natural born US citizen.

In fact, under US laws a person that is a natural born citizen is always subject to the jurisdiction of the United States forever. Natural Born Citizenship, because it's an inalienable Right, cannot be taken away from the individual by our government nor can the person renounce that Citizenship to escape the jurisdiction of the United States.

Nothing in the US Constitution prohibits a natural born US citizen that has dual citizenship from being president of the United States.

 

Not if it's his parent...LOL

It's so sad such a serious word has been so watered down, I would bet even Obama would agree.

 

This reminds me of another rather large group of people:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmaswwjb.htm/
Aviram Oshiri wrote in Archaeology magazine:

"I had never before questioned the assumption that Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea. But in the early 1990s, as an archaeologist working for the IAA, I was contracted to perform some salvage excavations around building and infrastructure projects in a small rural community in the Galilee. When I started work, some of the people who lived around the site told me how Jesus was really born there, not in the south. Intrigued, I researched the archaeological evidence for Bethlehem in Judea at the time of Jesus and found nothing. This was very surprising, as Herodian remains should be the first thing one should find. What was even more surprising is what archaeologists had already uncovered and what I was to discover over the next 11 years of excavation at the small rural site--Bethlehem of Galilee." 8

Excavations between 1992 and 2003 have uncovered the remains of a large church and monastery built circa 500 CE. Oshri said: "There is no doubt in my mind that these are impressive and important evidence of a strong Christian community established in Bethlehem a short time after Jesus' death." He is certain that the structures are Christian because of the oil lamps with crosses, baptismal font, bronze cross, and pig bones found on the site.

With the fabulous success of The Da Vinci Code, and the newly preserved and translated Gospel of Judas, and the rising interest in Gnosticism -- one of the three main divisions within the early Christian movement -- present-day conservative Christians are probably not in a mood to relocate Jesus' birth from its traditional location. It has been a settled issue for over a millennium and a half.

Funds for Oshiri's archaeological study have run out. He is attempting to raise additional support so that the investigations can continue.

Kooks come in many colours.

 

Said child would be a natural born citizen because they can't be tied to another country.

The 14th Amendment does say that a person can not be citizen of another country in order to be a US citizen. Just the same way that we insist that person renounces their foreign citizenship during the naturalization process, so can we insist that a person be born devoid of foreign citizenship.

This point is further enhanced by the main architect of the 14th Amendment, John Bingham. On April 25, 1872 during a debate regarding a certain Dr. Houard, who had been incarcerated in Spain, the issue was raised on the floor of the House of Representatives as to whether the man was a US citizen. Representative Bingham (of Ohio), stated on the floor:

(The term “to-day”, as used by Bingham, means “to date”. Obviously, the Constitution had not been amended on April 25, 1872.)


So, John Bingham, the father of the 14th Amendment, believed up to and beyond that point that all laws pertaining to citizenship in the US, including his 14th Amendment, defined citizenship as being born on US soil to two US citizen parents.

 

Unless calling him a "man" would be grossly inaccurate.

Have you found anything your BOY has taken responsibility for. You know, like a MAN.

 

A) In the United States, anyone born a citizen is a natural born citizen. Anyone born in the United States is a Natural born citizen, regardless of their parents- we all grew up learning this....Birther looking to disenfranchise both Obama and millions of Americans have just made up the claim about parentage being important. Parentage is only relevant to Americans born outside the United States- like John McCain.

B) Whether or not Obama was born a British citizen (something Britain has never confirmed), is irrelevant to whether or not he was born subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S.- because anyone born in the U.S. EXCEPT children of diplomats or invading armies is subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S.

c) "You're not going to win here."

We have won here, won the 2008 election, won Congressional confirmation of the election, and in every court- over 130 now I believe there Birthers have fought their quixotic campaign to deny the Presidency to this particular President.

I would say that is a pretty convincing winning streak.

But for Birthers.....the next court decision will be different!

Birthers lol.

 

Well you have a good point. Context is everything. A parent calling his 50 year old African American son "boy" wouldn't be considered offensive by most, but we all know that it is intentionally a racial slur for anyone else to call a 50 year old African American 'boy'.

Dance around it as much as you want.

 

Nope- just a Birther re-imagination of the 14th Amendment.

Lets review the language of the 14th Amendment.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. "

There is not a single example of anyone born in the United States- except children of diplomats- who was naturalized to become a citizen. Every person ever born in the U.S. since the 14th Amendment has automatically become a citizen.

And the courts have been very clear on that.

Ankeny v. Daniels, 916 N.E.2d 678 (Indiana Ct. App. 2009, ). The Ankeny court ruled that the citizenship of President Obama's father is irrelevant:

Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their

Every court ruling on President Obama has cited Ankeny v. Daniels- because Ankeny v Daniels reflects not only the legal understanding bu the common understanding that all Americans have of who is eligible.

Not a single court has agreed with the Birthers invented two citizen parent rule. Matter of fact, until Obama ran for President, none of you had even heard of or considered it. Invented purely because of Barack Obama.

 

As I have pointed out before- and thanks to Flounder for the exception- unless you are claiming to be Obama's father, calling a 50 year old African American President of the United States "boy" is a deliberate racial slur- regardless how you try to rationalize it.

Start calling him "kid" and you move from racial slur to just typical political insults. But you deliberately don't want to make that move- do you?

 

Not trying to win. Just trying to get you to keep making the same stupid arguments and forcing your leadership to fall in line to get you to the polls.

Every time Romney and the boys fail to shut you down another reasonable person who might have voted Republican says "I ain't voting for these fools."

So, please, continue. Show us the path to salvation from that usurper to the white throne, I mean white house. Please. continue to do your best to save us all from reason and reality.

 

That part of the 14th Amendment needs to be tossed into the (*)(*)(*)(*)bin of history. Schwarzenegger is as much American as you or me.

 

That is part of the original Constitution, not the 14th Amendment. The way to change that would be an amendment process- such as was suggested by Republicans when Kissinger was considered a possible President, and of course Schwartzenegger before the Republicans turned on him.

 

No. "Boy" is quite fitting and not racial at all.

No matter how hard you try to make it so.

 

His Fraudship Obama, the Kenyan, will be eventually totally exposed for the illegally qualified candidate he is. The lying scumbucket is the worst president in the history of our country! Jeff's rationalization otherwise is not impressive nor is it convincing for intelligent people like me and many others. non-birthers! lol lol

 

try getting a grip on reality

 

Not dancing,,I would agree. I do not doubt however there are plenty of ''slips'' , and no ill harm intended. Most times I would agree with you though.

 

This is absolutely true and while the 14th Amendment clarified the criteria for Natural Born Citizen it did not in anyway change what a natural born citizen was under Article II of the Constitution. In the Supreme Court review of natual born citizenship in the United States v Kim Wong Ark the Supreme Court reviewed not only the explicit criteria of the 14th Amendment also the historical precedent behind that criteria.

Natural born citizenship is and has always been based upon Jus Soli (the Right of Soil) and the parent's nationality has never been a criteria related to the natural born Right of Citizenship of the child. That legal precedent predates the founding of the United States and the Supreme Court documented that legal precedent in it's decision.

 

it's been convincing enough for over 130 court appearances, where birthers have been tossed out on their ass. lol, birthers lost to an EMPTY CHAIR.

 

Yeah sure.....

As I have pointed out before- and thanks to Flounder for the exception- unless you are claiming to be Obama's father, calling a 50 year old African American President of the United States "boy" is a deliberate racial slur- regardless how you try to rationalize it.

Start calling him "kid" and you move from racial slur to just typical political insults. But you deliberately don't want to make that move- do you?

 

I love how the Birthers lie about Obama....and lie about Obama lying. Taking the 'big lie' concept to ridiculous new lows.

Let me know when an intelligent Birther is found. Scientists are right now utilizing the most powerful microscopes in the United States and they still haven't found any evidence that one exists.

 

Absolutely. Glad you finally woke up.

 

How do you know Mitt Romney can legally hold the office of President?

 

Just want to point out here that, since I proved the OP had no clue what he was talking about, and that he in fact massively mischaracterized the items found in the lawsuit, he hasn't been back.

Being a birther means never, ever, ever, admitting you're wrong about anything... because birtherism isn't based on evidence, it's descending into cult status.

 

Nothing to add at this time. Just wanted to bump the thread.

Obama is still not eligible.