Dems, DACA and fake news

The only ones in that area were the First Peoples, then the Spanish, mostly missionaries, and some Spanish Ranchers that kept getting raided and mostly left their ranches. Mexico gave away land and paid its citizens to move there and still couldn't keep them there due to being raided by First Peoples. First Peoples still have the right and the ability to cross the border. Mexico couldn't get its own people to move into the territories, which is why they wanted and invited immigrants into them. The claim you are making is limited to First Peoples. Most illegals are not of First Peoples ancestry, so the old mantra of "We didn't cross the border, the border crossed us" is inane BS.

 

I made no claim about First Peoples but about those of Mexican ancestry. They have been their on both sides of the border for 100s of years and don't worry about international law. The claim that only First Peoples, not Hispanics, are children of the borderlands is an alt fact, a false narrative.

 

Thank you!!

 

JakeStarkey said: I made no claim about First Peoples but about those of Mexican ancestry. They have been their on both sides of the border for 100s of years and don't worry about international law. The claim that only First Peoples, not Hispanics, are children of the borderlands is an alt fact, a false narrative.

Yes, the First Peoples comment does not apply to the Hispanics living on both sides of the border for a 100 years.

The only FP group living on or near the border is a small reservation of maybe 200 individuals in El Paso.

 

Not for them there isn't, other than to serve in the military and those serving in the military now could be deported should ICE decide they're through deporting Rotary Club members and other such threats.

In order to qualify they would need, among other things, they need to

Having entered the US illegally they can only qualify after leaving the country for 20 years first.

 

^^^ nope, not gonna happen

 

So you want to ignore the history of mankind?

Should every society vacate whatever lands they took by force from the beginning of time?

It's remarkable how twisted these arguments get while trying to excuse illegal behavior....

 

LOL

Love this constant BS that always suggests "I know everything, you know nothing".

Spare me.

Try a valid, rational argument in the future, it might help.

 

Better yet, to the victors go the spoils. The history of mankind.

Perhaps these bleeding heart types would like to see peoples from every nation vacate the land their ancestors conquered so all can be returned to original occupation.

Gee, that might be a challenge.....

 

That's exactly how Spain acquired Mexico and exactly how we acquired America and some of their conquered land

 

Indeed true.

And exactly how every Nation on Earth has evolved over time.

The massive disconnect to this point vaporizes such arguments.

To me, it signals the pinnacle of desperation, having no ability to formulate a rational argument against appropriate treatment of illegal aliens.

 

Since the beginning of man, tribal wars, assimilation and from the ash's countries/nations bloomed

If the Spaniards want Arizona, Texas and California back and the rights to north America they are more than welcome to declare war and take it like they did from the Aztec

 

I didn't say that, nor did I suggest it. The argument I'm giving is that the Mexico/USA immigration situation is unique. There is a shared history between the 2 countries with some areas in the US having ties to families in Mexico for hundreds of years. The other argument is DACA's were brought here against their will. To call them criminals is ridiculous.

You mean like you did in this post? LOL

Says one that was neither victor nor conqueror but simply and accident of birth.

 

Exactly. Come and get it. Might be a problem, but this history of mankind shows that's how it works.

 

Your argument is so empty, I'm struggling to believe if you are just playing a game, or you actually believe the position you are taking.

There is nothing unique about the relationship with Mexico. ZERO. It is only a neighboring country.

The US has laws regarding immigration. If a citizen chooses to violate those laws, they subject themselves to the ramifications.

Period.

As to being an accident of birth, I guess today's Mexican's are an accident of birth as well. They were born to the losers.

 

The only persons along the border that have no worry about international law are the first peoples who have the ability to cross the border pretty much unhindered (there are over 20 recognized tribes and territories recognized along the border by both countries). Hispanics are either Mexican citizens or they are US citizens and must cross the border at a point of entry with a passport. The Hispanic (Spanish) ranches and the few Hispanics (Spanish) that were on this side of the river in 1848 had the opportunity to stay and become US Citizens or to get paid for their land and go back across the river to Mexico, are you trying to claim that all illegal entrants are related to the less than 9000 Spanish/Mexican citizens that ended up as US citizens?

 

None of that, as has pointed out to you before, means anything.

We are talking about Hispanics who have lived and crossed to both sides of the rivers for 100s of years.

First Peoples here is a distraction and immaterial to the discussion.

 

Those are some REALLY old people. I hope they aren't on social security.

 

The stubborn lack of understanding belongs to those who do not understand the history of the peoples on the Rio Grande.

I am glad to see that the dreamers are brought back into the topic.

Yes, they did nothing wrong, and, yes, they should be given citizenship.

 

Hispanics haven't lived and crossed the border for hundreds of years. Not even the Spanish, most that lived in Spanish Texas never crossed south, most that lived south never crossed north. Mexican Texas was virtually the same, with the exception of the few that moved north into now New Mexico and Arizona by being paid to do so by the Mexican Govt, and most of them didn't stay too long.

 

What of the 12 - 18 year olds that crossed on their own? While some may not have chose to come and were dragged here by their parents, there are some that did come on their own and knew they were violating the law.

 

And that's fine. They aren't Dreamers.

 

They aren't Dreamers? Some qualified for DACA, they fall within the definition of Congress's Bill regarding Dreamers, so how exactly are they not Dreamers?

 

Yes, they have. You apparently do not know Southwest American history. They have been moving back and forth over the Rio Grande for hundreds of years.

 

Now it's calling me stupid.

You've lost an argument you never made....