Deportation agency ignored 1.6 million visa overstays under Obama

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    What they meant to say is it costs the GOVERNMENT too much money to track them down. Why not work out the details to allow Bounty Hunters to scoop up VISA Over Stays and turn them over to ICE. There would be additional training and licensing requirements. Track them down to their last known employment through their ITIN then let the dogs out. ICE can go about the business of tracking down the Criminal Aliens and let the Bounty Hunters start scooping up the rest. I think it's a great idea as it will create jobs in 2 ways, the folks who go out and get the VISA overstays and the people that can fill their jobs. It's a win/win except for the alien.
     
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    Roughly a little more than one out of every three hundred people you encounter in this country overstays their visa. At least 12 people, and probably a lot more, out of every 300 you meet is an illegal. Something needs to be done about all of them and pronto. What kills me is that many people seem to have no fear, concerns or worry about being an illegal.
     
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    That explains 1.6 million of Hillary's popular votes.
     
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    http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/

    The cost to citizens is simply tremendous. Check out the website above, it's heart wrenching.
     
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    Not to mention the cost of the lives they destroy or kill. How to you put a $$ sign on those?
     
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    You can't. That's why we owe it to every last person who died at the hands of anyone illegal in our country not only to make sure they pay for their crimes but kick them out permanently when they are done with their sentence.
     
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    Sure, overstays are a big problem but how would other countries react to Americans in their countries if we were to get rough with their citizens here? Suppose you're on vacation or working in a foreign country such as England, Italy, or South Korea and the cops swoop down on you and cart you off the dungeon for several hours of harassment. Would you be willing to endure the pushback?
     
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    More than half the "illegal" aliens are just visa overstays, and this is largely due to the cumbersome bureaucracy. I've dealt with immigration authorities in the US, they've got a monumental administrative process, technically any change that affects an immigrant needs to be reported, they have to complete a form, it must be submitted in person, supporting documentation is required and there's an interview. If the onerous procedure is not completed each time the immigrant is hired or fired, gets injured, arrested, convicted, moves, earns any certificate or completes any studies, gets married or divorces, has a kid... Any undocumented changes or incomplete information and they can be deported. They get a notice and a hearing, these are recurringly postponed, there's a huge backlog. Go to any INS building and you'll find a line of immigrants snaking out the door and around the block of people there for their hearings. When I was in San Francisco I'd pass out business cards and pick up steady work simply adjourning hearings.
     
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    Folks on vacation wouldn't be working here with an ITIN.
     
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    The comment involved the possibility of mistreatment of Americans in foreign countries if we get too rough with their people here.
     
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    Hey! It's not his country.
     
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    Don't go to a foreign country.
     
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    I don't even buy two ripe bananas at the same time.
     
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    Yep a wall is really going to stop this problem

    Btw are those people still in the country or have they left?
     
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    Those 1.6 million who've overstayed their visas are certainly still in the US, probably just part of the backlog.

    In some jurisdictions you don't even need bar admission, a mere law student can appear on the record to get an adjournment for 90 days so the alien can secure counsel (its considered pro bono). There are hundreds of worried aliens who barely understand what's going on clutching their papers and hoping to get some help. If you can speak some Spanish just find out which have been here for more than a year, any who are married or have children (the immigration status of their spouse or children makes no difference), these are the ones you give cards to and when they get called ask for adjournements, then tell them to call if they want to have a lawyer when they return.

    The immigration court always grants adjournments because they're overwhelmed, they can't get through their dockets without your help. The aliens whose cases you adjourn usually do call and will come in for an interview, often it is easy to correct whatever administrative error that got them in trouble, some misfiled application, a rule they misunderstood, foreign language is a good excuse. Rarely will one come across a really criminal alien that actually should be deported.

    Once I represented an Indian (from India) who sought refugee status, he documented a well-founded fear of persecution for debts he owed to traffickers who brought him to the US. I got him asylum!

    Overall the US immigration laws are easygoing, there is a lot of humanity in them, tolerance, a willingness to accomodate, understanding for the foreigness of the environment. This is a welcoming country, it tries to let people stay, there isn't racism or bias in immigration court. There are procedures, administrative compliance is important, but the system is overwhelmed, they need double the judges.
     
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    Such hyperbole holy **** lololol
     
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    Who knows. What we need is our own Christmas Island Immigrant Detention Island.
     
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    For those interested, here is a list dedicated to those lives. Unfortunately, the list is constantly growing...
     
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    The US should do as Canada:
    We've read about the pitiful families with infant children struggling across desolate and frozen Canadian borders yearning to breathe free of Trump's fascistic jackbooted border guards, and how Canada's Trudeau personally welcomes each showering them with the generous gifts liberal Canadians gladly share. This news of rising detentions seems strange.
    The US should adopt similar legislation, I thought that was what these Executive Orders were for, but liberals in the US deem them intolerable, maybe the Canadian approach is better?
     
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    Who knows, that's why ICE should be able to use every tool at their disposal to find them.
     
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    You're not looking at like a Democrat, cross both eyes and squint one and it looks like 16, now isn't that a lot better than 1.6 million ;)
     
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    Yup, eight years of protectionism, sanctuary free zones, purposely restricting Ice and other immigration agencies and here we are SNAFU!
     
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    Democrats see these folks as "undocumented democrats".

    We seem to be able to send them assistance checks, but we can't find them to deport them?

    Very Fishy!

    30 Countries Are Refusing To Take Back Illegal Immigrants Convicted Of Serious Crimes

    There is already a law on the books which allows the U.S. to hold visas from a country that is not taking back its criminals, but according to Cuellar, the U.S. is not enforcing it.

    “We’re not enforcing it, which is amazing. So now my intent is to go back to our committee on appropriations and affect their funding until they do that,” Cuellar told Sharyl Attkisson, host of Full Measure, in an interview.

    You mean, and we still send the countries money?

    Can Trump stop this without a Hawaiian Judge going all Aloha Akbar?

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/18/3...ts-convicted-of-serious-crimes/#ixzz4bjB3xENx
     
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    We're not using the north pole!
     
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    A great addition for Joint Vocational Schools.
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