Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

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  1. rahl

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    you, and everyone else who has watched the video is fully aware that I have.

    Proven false.
     
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    The video says you are wrong.
     
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    We, including you, clearly sees he is completely inside the back of the car.
     
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    No it doesn’t.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The way the law defines it is not going to be right in every situation.
     
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    You don’t get to decide what is right. You get to obey the law, be punished for breaking it, or lobby your representative to amend it.
     
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    The convicted murderer had plenty of opportunity to explain his perceptions to the jury. He chose not to...
     
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    Wrong. Your video from an angle where no one can see anything does not prove anything false.


    Yes it does.


    Wrong. The video that is from an angle where people can see what happened shows that he resisted arrest and prevented the police from placing him in the squad car.
     
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    I disagree. The law cannot be specific for every situation.

    Those who passed these laws were never thinking about how those laws would apply in some specific types of situations.
     
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    All of this has been proven false
     
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    Wrong. You have not disproved the video of the incident.
     
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    Been over this already. Your agreement has no relevance to reality or the law.
    Of course it can
    It applies to every situation. Under no circumstances in any state is it legal to kneel on the neck of a subdued, handcuffed and face down laying person until they die.
     
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    Correct. I’ve used the video to disprove the hilariously moronic claims you keep making.
     
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    Wrong. Your video from an angle where no one can see anything does not disprove the video where people can see what actually happened.
     
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    Proven false
     
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    Wrong. Your video from an angle where no one can see anything does not prove anything false, and certainly not the video where people can actually see what happened.
     
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    congrats, every police officer or person who handcuffs people knows way more about how that works than you do. I’m sure they’d love for you to explain how they don’t know what they’re doing, and why you’re right even though you’ve never done it and have zero training.
    I’d show you videos but you already know everything somehow.
    Let me guess, you’re gonna tell pilots who they’re flying all wrong.
     
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    Uh, no. Not every officer is carrying a taser and pepper spray. Tasers are notoriously bad at what they do. Maybe you should come drop your amazing wisdom on the police in this country and sort them out?
     
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    You can't call Dereks behavior professional or smart. He exposed a side of the Police for the world to see......

    and judge for itself. Worse yet .....is the "justification" for this conduct.
     
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    Proven false
     
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    correct. They know a handcuffed behind the back suspect is not a threat.

    I’ve had lots of training. Use of force training. Submission techniques. Tactical handgun and room clearing training.
    if you can’t handle a suspect who’s hands are literally tied behind their back, you have no business being in law enforcement.

    I’ve never flown a plane.
     
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    That is not true. Such type of severe restraints are acceptable in many places on handcuffed persons in more extreme situations.

    Did this situation meet the qualifications of those sort of situations? Not quite.
    But it wasn't so extremely different either.
     
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    Normally I would totally agree with you, but this was a 6' 4" tall, 223 pound guy.
    He had the body type to be a professional boxer, and then some.

    You can tell from the videos they were having some difficulty controlling the suspect and were beginning to become exasperated.

    Suspects high on drugs can sometimes be unpredictable and irrational, so they probably had to take that into account too.
     
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    I don't think you or most people really have any idea how police handle difficult situations, or the reasons they handle those situations the way they do.

    When there is a struggle, sometimes there are going to be bad outcomes. They are not always going to get it perfect.

    Chauvin is not any isolated situation. There are lots of officers who would likely do that or something similar in that same situation.
     
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    See, like I said, you are in some kind of the state of denial.
    You cannot offer logical explanation on why Chauvin gave up the efforts to shove Floyd into the car from the left side and instead ran around to the right side of the car.
    The explanation is quite simple, Floyd has managed to open the door on the other side, or door was not closed. Once he straighten himself up at the backseat there was absolutely no way to close both doors. The easiest way to restrain him in that situation was to pull him out of the car and put him on the ground.

    Once on the ground, officers had to use all their power to restrain him including knees to fixate his head. His already enormous physical strength, enhanced by the drugs presented a real danger.
     

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