Differences of the Micro or Quantum Level and Macro Level.

Once again, I'm looking for the higher mathematics. I want to know how dropping a ball with mass in the vicinity of the Earth doesn't cause acceleration of the mass (to help you out, the definition of force is F=ma, where F is force, m is mass, and a is acceleration [not velocity]) .

 

The ONLY FORCE INVOLVED is the POTENTIAL KINETIC ENERGY any object falling obtains and the FORCE that is KENETICALLY TRANSFERED when say a 100 kg. stell ball falling at 32 feet per second squared is calculated as F=MA...or

F= FORCE
M= MASS
A= ACCELERATION.

Thus F=MA

Or....Force = Mass x Acceleration.

In this case Mass = 10 kg's
Acceleration equals 32 feet per second squared and this Velocity depends upon whether the opject is dropped in Earth's Atmosphere as there is such a thing called TERMINAL VELOCITY at which even the most aerodynamic object....say an ARROW....MADE OUT OF STEEL......will begin it's falling at 32 fett per second squared yet because it falls in an atmosphere at a rate of a steel arrow falling in atmosphere it will at a point stop accelerating due to air friction and there are entire CHARTS dedicated to this as if the arrow head was LEAD....at the point it reached 3000 feet per second square the air friction would cause the LEAD ARROW HEAD TO MELT FROM AIR FRICTION!!!

Continued......

 

Wow. First you say " ACCELERATE AT A VELOCITY APPROX..." Velocity and acceleration are different entities but related. Acceleration is the rate of change of velocity. If you knew calculus I could show you.

Second, you say, " ONLY FORCE INVOLVED is the POTENTIAL KINETIC ENERGY". Force is the change in kinetic energy (or alternately the change in momentum). Second, there is no such thing as "potential kinetic" energy. Energy is potential energy or kinetic energy, or alternatively total energy (aka the Hamiltonian) but nobody, nobody would state that as "POTENTIAL KINETIC ENERGY".

Third, you state again "Acceleration equals 32 feet per second squared and this Velocity...". Once gain, velocity is not acceleration, acceleration is the rate of change of velocity. Fundamental calculus and really fundamental physics.

You have nothing.

 

No kidding!! DUH! LOL!!!!

There is no need to go beyond Plain Geometry....a form of Algabraic Geometry as far as this question as even Calculus is not necessary.

The thing is with a FORCE.....and Electromagnetism is a FORCE...so I will use it as an example.

Gravity...unlike a FORCE......is not PUSHING OR PULLING OR USING ATOMIC NUCLEUS SURROUNDING ELECTRON FIELDS WITH ORBITS EITHER FULL OR UNFULL to attract or repel objects.

As example.....you have this 100 kg hollow steel ball.....and another 1000 kg solid steel ball.....or if you prefer.....we will simply use two balls of the same diameter of 1 Meter both that are made of metal that are equally as Magnetic as the other....but one weighs 100 kg...one weighs 1000 kgs....and both are the same size in 1 Meter in Diameter.

If I were to place them on a perfectly flat surface that is a 10 metwr long table with two slight groves aong the length and I had two Electromagnets......for me to pull each balll at the same arte of speed say.....1 meter per second....along the entire 10 meter length of the table......I WOULD HAVE TO USE 10 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF FORCE TO MAKE THE 100O KG BALL ROLL THE 10 METERS THAT IS THE LENGTH OF THE TABLE AS I WOULD TO ROLL THE 100 KG BALL THE 10 METERS ALONG THE LENGTH OF THE TABLE!!!

If I was in SPACE.....I WOULD STILL NEED 10 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF ELECTROMAGNETIC FORCE TO PULL THE 1000 KG BALL 10 METERS AT 1 METER PER SECOND AS I WOULD THE 100 KG BALL!!!


Continued....

 

Duh, Coulomb force (I'll assume that's what you mean by ELECTROMAGNETIC FORCE rofl) is proportional to charge, gravitational force is proportional to mass. Apparently you didn't learn this in elementary school like I did.

You really are hopeless, goodnight.

 

You know.....I have been trying....VERY HARD....TO BE CIVIL WITH YOU.

You and I both know that I am attempting to type this out as fast as I can and you and I BOTH KNOW.....that I am well aware that F=MA.....stands for Fprce = Mass x Acceleration.

If in my typing quickly I might have accidentally used the word Velocity when I should have used Acceleration.....YOU KNOW DAMN WELL THIS IS BUT A TINY MISTAKE THAT YOU ARE NIT PICKING CONSIDERING HOW BADLY I HAVE BLOWN YOU OUT OF THE WATER IN OUR PAST DEBATES!!!

Now since the rate of fall of an Object in Earth's Atmophere is DEPENDENT UPON THE DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE EARTH...and this is why I brought up the INVERSE SQUARE LAW....as well 32 feet per second squared IS NOT AN EXACT FIGURE OF FALLING ACCELERATION as it is been slightly rounded....THAT IS WHY IS SAID WHAT I SAID!!

Any object in Motion in space has POTENTIAL KINETIC ENERGY AND FORCE as until that object interacts with another that Force IS NEVER APPLIED OR REALIZED!!!

As well that POTENTIAL KINETIC ENERGY IS NEVER REALIZED!!!

If you REALLY....want to come at me this way again.....I will....unwillingly....yet still......MAKE YOU LOOK THE COMPLETE FOOL AS I HAVE ALWAYS DONE IN THE PAST WHEN YOU BEGIN YOUR PETTY AND WITHOUT REASON ARGUMENTS OVER MINUTIA OF IDIOCY!!!

AboveAlpha

 

For those members interested.....the REASON....that Gravity is really NOT a FORCE.....is because unlike a FORCE which is using either Magnetism or Electromagnetics.....or KINETIC TRANSFER....the amount of ENERGY REQUIRED to place an object in motion like the way it takes at least 3 or 4 big guy's to try to push a car that is stuck in a snow and ice encrusted POT HOLE.....and at a certain point the amount of energy required to generate the FORCE necessary to overcome the lack of traction and the weight of the vehicle allows the combination of someone in the drivers seat pushing on the gas petal plus the added physical human pushing to actually get the damn car out of the pothole and on it's way!!

Now....if the car was heavier and perhaps less traction was created.....then MORE ENERGY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GENERATED THE INCREASED AMOUNT OF FORCE NECESSARY TO PUSH THAT LARGER OR HEAVIER CAR OUT OF THE POTHOLE!!!

So perhaps 6 guys.


With GRAVITY......it doesn't matter as long as aerodynamics are concerned because no matter how big or heavy or differently shaped two or 3 or 1000 objects are....if they are dropped in a VACUUM TUBE.....or let's say instead of dropping them on Earth....we drop them all from 100 feet above the LUNAR SURFACE.....although they will not fall as fast or accelerate as fast as they would falling on earth....THEY WOULD ALL STILL FALL AT THE SAME RATE DROPPED 100 FEET OR 500 FEET...ETC...ABOVE THE LUNAR SURFACE AND ALL HIT THE LUNAR SURFACE AT THE SAME TIME!!!!

This works on Earth as well but because EARTH HAS AN ATMOSPHERE.....in order for objects to fall at the same rate and all hit the ground at the same rate they all either have to be aerodynamically the same.....such as having 1000 balls all the same size but each one weighing a different amount of weight.......dropped from 10o feet or 200 feet or 500 feet...etc.....THEY WILL ALL FALL AT THE SAME RATE AND ALL HIT THE GROUND AT THE SAME TIME!!!

If you have 100 foot high VACUUM TUBES....which mean these 100 foot high tubes are empty of atmosphere.....no matter how heavy and no matter what design the objects dropped are.....say one is an AIR FILLED BALLOON......with a diameter of 12 inches.....and the other is a BASEBALL.....and the other is a CROWS FEATHER....and the other is a PROPELLER....and another one is a SPINNING FRISBEE.......


EVERY SINGLE ONE WILL FALL AT THE SAME RATE OF SPEED AND EVERY SINGLE ONE WILL HIT THE GROUND AT THE SAME TIME!!!

As long as they fall in VACUUM TUBES....with no air inside......OR IF THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME AERODYNAMIC DESIGN.....AND WEIGHT MEANS NO DIFFERENCE!!!


This is why....GRAVITY IS NOT A FORCE!!!

A FORCE necessary to roll a 50 lbs ball 5 feet .....would have to be DOUBLE THAT AMOUNT OF FORCE to ROLL a 100 lbs ball 5 FEET ON THE SAME SURFACE!!!

If I was using an ELECTROMAGNET.....I would need to use 10 TIMES THE FORCE necessary to pick up a 10,000 lbs junked truck than just 1/10th the force necesarry to pick up 1000 lbs with that electromagnet.

Everyone get this?

AboveAlpha

 

May be I'm not grasping the core of the reasoning [too high for my limited awareness, sure ...], but as for I know the way in which a force acts doesn't affect its nature of force ...

In few words a "force" in physics is a vector greatness which manifests itself modifying the quantity of motion of something during an interaction. Substantially there is an acceleration [positive or negative, deceleration], a variation in the state of the interacting "things".

This interaction is the result of the existence of a "field" with force lines. The force lines actually are fluxes of virtual particles causing the interaction. According to different kinds of virtual particles we have different fields of force [so different forces].

The fact that the gravity field causes a deformation of the space time simply indicates how this field interacts with the space time, not that it's not a force.

Furthermore, even if experimental physics will demonstrate [and today we can doubt about this] that gravity is not "carried" by virtual particles, this won't change it's nature as force [since gravity changes the quantity of motion of the objects with which its field interacts ...].

 

Although you don't really understand this I am happy you replied to me in a CIVIL MANNER as you always do and you were polite enough to post....and I quote...."May be I'm not grasping the core of the reasoning"...end quote Alpin Luke and you are neither limited in your awareness just not as informed as I am in this particular field.

Gravity is in essense AN EXPRESSION OF ONE DIMENSIONAL SPACE-TIME within ou at MINIMUM 10-D Universal Space-Time Geometry.

Thus the greater the amount of Mass or Dark Matter.....the GREATER THE GRAVITATIONAL EFFECT.

So...what is GRAVITATIONAL EFFECT???

Gravitational Effect is the VARIABLE DEGREE by which our Space-Time is Warped by specific amounts of existing Mass and Dark Matter.

The Mass which exists as Protons and Nuetrons as well as there exists micro masses in all Quantum Particle/Wave Forms except Photons which have Zero Mass...anyways with the Hadrons....such as Protons and Neutrons these are completely comprised of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms of Energy one of which the HIGGS BOSON which the Higgs Field is responsible for allowing Hadrons to obtain MASS.

This Mass along with Dark Matter generates GRAVITY...and the degree of Gravitational Effect is based upon the amount of Mass and Dark Matter as well as the the degree of GEOMETRIC DEFINED AREAS OF SPECIFIC GRAVITIC EFFECT is based upon the INVERSE SQUARE LAW OF GRAVITY.

Now....the REASON...why GRAVITY IS NOT A FORCE.....is because unlike a FORCE....GRAVITATIONAL EFFECT.....is not....and let's use YOUR posted definition OK?

You posted...."In few words a "force" in physics is a vector greatness which manifests itself modifying the quantity of motion of something during an interaction. Substantially there is an acceleration [positive or negative, deceleration], a variation in the state of the interacting "things"...end quote Alpin Luke.

Now I would have not used these words to define a FORCE but I will use your words none the less.

You posted....." a "force" in physics is a vector greatness which manifests itself modifying the quantity of motion of something during an interaction.....part of quote of Alpin Luke.

Let's analyze this.....as you state....a vector greatness which manifests itself modifying the QUANTITY OF MOTION.....of SOMETHING....during an INTERACTION.

Luke....although I respect you as a posting member of standing....either you borrowed these words from a 19th Century Physics Book or...well I just don't know?

There is no such thing as a GRAVITON.

Unlike Electromagnetism which there is an actual ATTRACTION OR REPULSION of materials based upon whether or not their ELECTRON ORBITS ARE FULL OR ARE NOT FULL.....as this is what determines whether a material can be MAGNETIC OR NOT.

As well like in a Junk Yard when a Crane that has a large round multiple ton piece of steel or iron on the end of it.....a massive ELECTRICAL CHARGE is run into it and this not only fills any missing ELECTRONS IN THEIR SPECIFIC ORBITAL FIELDS SURROUNDING AN ATOMIC NUCLEUS OF IRON....but it overloads them to the point they will seek out other materials such as a SMASHED IN THE CRUSHER CAR MADE OF STEEL WHICH IS IRON.....and when the crane places the Electromagnet upon this now multiple ton block of iron or stell what was once a car.....the additional Electrons fill the Electron Orbital Fields surrounding the Atomic Nucleuses of the Iron Atoms....as Iron is an Element which can allow a large number of additional Electrons into it's NOT COMPLETELY FLLED ORBITAL FIELDS.


First, electrons can be thought of as occupying certain shells that surround the nucleus of the atom. These shells have been given letter names like K,L,M,N,O,P,Q. They have also been given number names, such as 1,2,3,4,5,6,7. (This is what quantum mechanics is all about).

Within the shell, there may exist subshells or orbitals, with letter names such as s,p,d,f. Some of these orbitals look like spheres, some look like an hourglass, others look like beads on a bracelet.

The K shell contains an s orbital. Called a 1s orbital.

The L shell contains an s and p orbital. Called a 2s and 2p orbital.

The M shell contains an s, p and d orbital. Called a 3s, 3p and 3d orbital.

The N, O, P and Q shells each contain an s, p, d and f orbital. Called a 4s, 4p, 4d, 4f, 5s, 5p, 5d, 5f, 6s, 6p, 6d, 6f, 7s, 7p, 7d and 7f orbital.

These orbitals also have various sub-orbitals.

The s orbital can contain only 2 electrons and has no sub-orbitals.

The p orbital can contain 6 electrons, 2 in each of its 3 sub-orbitals, like px, py and pz.

The d orbital can contain 10 electrons, 2 in each of its 5 sub-orbitals, like dxy, dxz, dyz, dz2, dx2-y2.

The f orbital can contain 14 electrons, 2 in each of its 7 sub-orbitals.

(And there is a g orbital that can contain 18 electrons, 2 in each of its 9 sub-orbitals, for highly excited electrons.)

A maximum of 2 electrons can occupy a sub-orbital where one has a spin of UP, the other has a spin of DOWN. There can not be two electrons with spin UP in the same sub-orbital. (Pauli exclusion principal.) Also, when you have a pair of electrons in a sub-orbital, their combined magnetic fields will cancel each other out.

As you can see, the general order for filling the electron orbitals follows a sequence since the energy level for each orbital increases in this sequence: 1s, 2s, 2p, 3s, 3p, 4s, 3d, 4p, 5s, 4d, 5p, 6s, 4f, 5d, 6p, 7s, 5f, 6d, 7p

After each orbital is full, it starts to fill the next one in this sequence. There are a few odd jumps in the sequence when you get to filling the 4f, 5d and 6p orbitals, but that's how it goes.

If we were to examine Iron (atomic number 26), Cobalt (27), Nickel (2 and Gadolinium (64), all of which are considered ferromagnetic since they are strongly attracted to a magnet, it is difficult to see what makes them so different from the other elements next to them or below them in the periodic table. In other words, if Iron is so strongly magnetic, why isn't Manganese? Perhaps there are other factors we need to take into account such as the crystalline structure. But it is generally accepted that these ferromagnetic elements have large magnetic moments due to un-paired electrons in their outer orbitals. This is like having current flowing in a coil of wire, creating a magnetic field. Even the spin of the electron is thought to create a minute magnetic field. When you get a bunch of these fields together, they add up to bigger fields.

Iron (Fe)
Atomic Number 26
Electron configuration 1s22s22p63s23p63d64s2
This shows the electron orbits as circular rings around the nucleus. It really isn't like this, but it makes a good diagram.
The green dot in the center is the nucleus with the 26 protons and 26 neutrons. The orange dots in the 3d orbital are the 4 unpaired electrons.

The unpaired electrons in 3d create a magnetic moment, or force. It is thought that D/r must be 3 or more to create ferromagnetism. This condition occurs in Iron, Cobalt, Nickel and rare-earth groups


CONTINUED......AboveAlpha

 

Continued.....

In the case of a FORCE such as ELECTROMAGNETIM.....or any FORCE where there is involved a TRANSFER OF KINETIC ENERGY.....as if I fire a bullet out of a rifle and that round has a specific mass and the round is traveling at a specific acceleration.....the FORCE can be calculated as F=MA.....or Force equals the Msss of the bullet multiplied by the acceleration of the round.

But when we are talking about GRAVITY.....you and just about every person their whole LIFE have been being taught something incorrect.....as Teachers would always teach kids and this still goes on in Physics 101......as the they use the word FORCE....as a word that is simple enough for most people to understand.

If they started telling students...OK....Gravity is actually THE WARPETURE OF OUR AT MINIMUM 10-D UNIVERSAL SPACE-TIME IN A ONE DIMENSIONAL EXPRESSION OR FASHION AS UNLIKE A FORCE WHERE AN ACTUAL EXCHANGE OR INTERACTION OF QUANTUM PARTICLE/WAVE FORMS IS AND ARE TAKING PLACE OR AS IN THE CASE OF THE FORCE OF KINETIC IMPACT WHERE.....and this part is even more confusing for some people than what I have already posted.....CONTINUED....

 

CONTINUED.....IN THE CASE OF THE FORCE OF KINETIC IMPACT WHERE.....say as my fingers are typing what I am currently posting most people would think that the tips of my fingers and their mass and the driving kinetic energy within my hands, wrists, arms, shoulders...and all the bone, muscle, flesh and mass of the parts of my body that whe so directed at the keys I am typting a specific amount of KINETIC FORCE impacts the keys of my laptop and this kinetic energy generated FORCE as the amount of FORCE that is being generated by what I am doing typing when my fingers come in contact with the keys this FORCE is transfered through the keyboard and into the table and down the desks legs and into the floor and so on and so on and it even has a tiny effect upon the ACTUAL VIBRATION AND MOVEMENT OF THE EARTH....as well actually has a tiny effect upon the SUN....and every planet...and every Star in or Galaxy...and so on!!!

BUT HERE IS THE KILLER!!!!

The MASS....that is responsible for the WEIGHT of my Fingers and Hands and Body Parts involved in all of this....as it is the MASS that without would not allow my fingers typing to press the key down or allow me to punch a punching bag to move it....or allow me to have any physical interaction with anything.....well that MASS.....IN BOTH MY FINDER TIPS AND THE MASS THAT MAKES UP THE KEYS ON MY LAPTOPS KEYBOARD.....that MASS....is the PROTONS AND NEUTRONS that comprise the Atomic Nucleus of each Atom that make up my finger tips .....NEVER TOUCH THE MASS OF THE NEUTRONS AND PROTONS THAT MAKE UP THE ATOMIC NUCLEUS OF MY LAPTOPS KEYBOARD!!!

THE MATTER THAT THIS MASS IS APART OF....AS THE ATOMIC NEUCLEUS OF EACH ATOM IS JUST PART OF MATTER BECAUSE AS WELL THE ELECTRONS SURROUNDING EVERY SINGLE EXISTING ATOMIC NUCLEUS IN ELECTRON ORBITAL FIELDS ARE PART OF MATTER AS WELL!!!

Thing is.....since every Atom and every Atom having an Atomic Nucleus that has within it Protons and with the exception of Hydrogen....Neutrons as well.....and has an EQUAL NUMBER OF ELECTRONS SURROUNDING THE ATOMIC NUCLEUS EQUAL IN NUMBER TO THE NUMBER OF PROTONS......as Protons carry a Positive Charge and Electrons a Negative Charge.........NOTHING OF MATTER EVER TOUCHES ANYTHING ELSE OF MATTER!!!




That's right....you read it here!!!!

When your finger supposedly touches the keys on your keyboard when you post.....the finger tips and keys NEVER TOUCH ONE ANOTHER!!!

When a Piano Player plays a melody....THE MATTER OF HIS FINGERS NEVER TOUCH THE MATTER OF HIS PIANO KEYS!!!

When you hold your wife, husband or boy or girlfriend.....your hands and skin NEVER COME IN CONTACT WITH EACH OTHER!!!!


WHY!!!???

Because simce all these things are MATTER....and since all Matter is comprised of ATOMS.....and since all Atoms have within then an ATOMIC NUCLEUS.....and since around such a nucleus exists ELECTRON ORBITAL FIELDS WHICH ARE NEGATIVELY CHARGED.........

.......and since every other Atom amd amount of Matter also has Atoms with SURROUNDING ORBITAL ELECTRON FIELDS WHICH ARE ALSO NEGATIVELY CHARGED.....

......TWO NEGATIVELY CHARGED PARTICLES...OR TO BE MORE PRECISE.....NEGATIVELY CHARGED ELECTRONS WHICH ARE QUANTUM PARTICLE/WAVE FORMS......REPEL EACH OTHER AND CAN NEVER TOUCH EVEN IF ALL THE ENERGY IN THE UNIVERSE WAS USED TO ATTEMPT TO FORCE THEM TOGETHER.....THEY WOULD STILL NEVER TOUCH!!!

No one here has EVER actually TOUCHED the one they love.

AboveAlpha

 

The mathematic equations governing the fundamental laws are actually the same on both the macro and micro level, but it still appears to behave very differently depending on the scale. We have come of with a set of generalized rules to describe matter on the macro scale, but these are only generalizations, and do not hold under all possible conditions.

Take an electron, for example. It has a property called "spin", and this is a real physical property that can actually be mechanically measured with sensitive equipment. Did you know if you change the magnetization of a piece of ferromagnetic metal, the chunk of metal actually rotates just a very small degree, to compensate for the different average spin of the electrons in the material?

So why is an electron always spinning, why can it not stop spinning? Spinning is a fundamental property of the particle, it is quantized, and there is no way for it to lose it's spin. An electron which is not spinning cannot exist, that is prevented from ever happening. We never see this on a macro scale because everything tends to average out.

Again, did you know that a magnet cause electric current to continuously flow in a piece of conductive metal? These are called "eddy currents". So why can free energy not be extracted? Why do the eddy currents not meet with resistance and cause heating in the metal? It is very bizarre but this is actually a case of superconductive behavior at a macro scale, the eddy currents are prevented from giving up any of their energy because of quantum effects, one could say it is even a form of entanglement. This is necessary for the conservation of energy, if the permanent magnet could transfer it's actual work energy into the eddy currents, the spinning electrons in the magnetic material would lose momentum, which is forbidden from happening. That would cause all sorts of havoc with the wave equations, so interference prevents that from happening. And because there is entanglement between the magnetic material and the eddy currents, the eddy currents are subject to the same bizarre quantum effects as they flow around in the conductive metal. These eddy currents are real, and if the average magnitude of the magnetic field changes, energy can be extracted out of the current (basically how electric generators work).

 

Although an Electron does spin it has MASS.

A Micro-Mass...but Mass none the less.

A Photon has Angular Spin Momentum...yet has ZERO MASS.

Both are Quantum Particle/Wave Forms but ONLY a Photon can travel at 186,282 miles per second.

An Electron's velocity is dependent upon the material it is cunducted through.

Both obtain FREQUENCY....and in a Photon Wave Packet just as in an Electron Orbital Field surrounding an Atomic Nucleus....both exist AT ALL POSSIBLE POINTS OF POSITIONS SIMULTANEOUSLY.

Thus they exists as both Particle and Wave.

As far as your Eddy Currents not generating Heat....it is because the Electrons are filling the unfilled Electron Orbits of Iron and other materials with unfilled Orbits.

As far as how all this relates to GRAVITY...it doesn't.

Gravity even effects LIGHT....as NASA PROBES have shown the Gravitational Warping of Space-Time around our Sun allows Light or Photons to actually CURVE AROUND THE SUNS WARPING OF SPACE-TIME...thus allowing the probes to see stars that would be OUT OF LINE OF SIGHT GEOMETRICALLY.

AboveAlpha

 

Why in the world do you combine celestial mechanics which is an old outdated term for Newtonian physics and quantum physics which is NOT EVEN RELATED TO NEWTONIAN physics? To most it would seem you may not have a basic working knowledge of either. Or maybe you are self taught and fabricated many concepts and words?

With all due respect, that (above quote) is another good example of word salad that would get you laughed (or booed) right off a stage if in a professional level debate of non advanced physics. The way to say (the above quote) is; 'does quantum mechanics govern or explain macro objects'.

Oh Yes I have a LOT of questions about nearly 100% of your opinions. Most will be of a yes or no variety and to determine your level of knowledge on said subjects. It will help me understand why you seem to have no knowledge, or some weird understanding of quantum mechanics or why they are considered separate from classical physics.

I am going to ask to see the math for your claims for now on that claim. And to be sure the above doesnt even make sense.

UNFORTUNATELY.....a member misunderstood this post by me and replied something close to......"YOU ARE WRONG!!! QUANTUM LEVEL MECHANICS AND EVENTS OCCUR UPON THE MICRO LEVEL NOT THE MACRO LEVEL!!!"
I of course replied I was well aware of this and that this person simply was misunderstanding what I posted.

As what I was trying to explain to this member is this....."QUANTUM MECHANICS....cannot be defined, explained or used to create a UFT....when TOO SMALL A SYSTEM IS BEING USED!!"

But that is nonsense Alpha!! A small system is quantum BY DEFINITION! A large (bigger than subatomic) is a system governed by classical physics. Remember Newton Einstein and others! The only thing a unified field theory is attempting is to unite classical and quantum physics to a seamless affair.

You can not make up words and definitions and expect anyone to understand what you are trying to say! "OUR SINGLE UNIVERSAL REALITY" Is not a known term of science. You are talking about the far end of metaphysics which falls in the realm of ESP, paranormal activity etc. So if you are going to use science use science terms.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong! First I maybe should ask what you mean by "a single Universal System". I assumed you meant a Unified field theory. You should use accepted terms instead of making up words. Quantum physics is well understood for what it is. The problem in unifying quantum and classical physics is simply one theory does not work on the large and small. That means there is a fly in the ointment somewhere.

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If you are talking about the Metaverse its a theory with exactly ZERO empirical evidence. A spin-off of string theory, and I despise string theory. There was a new development over the weekend which severely weakened string theory (thank God!) but strengthened the holographic universe theory. That experiment was a highly accurate measurement of a proton!

Stay tuned. I want you to explain yourself and you have not been able to do that yet. If you can not explain your concepts, even highly advanced science without confusing people with average intelligence that usually means its pure bunk. Look at Hawking! he describes very complex quantum and other sciences in a very easy to understand tiny book.

No prob, and please don't use terms and words that you fabricate, and we will be cool ~ Also I have nothing at all personal against you its just that you seem to be posting massive amounts of disinformation.

reva

 

The HOLY GRAIL of PHYSICS is to be able to not only develop but UNDERSTAND a UFT....or UNIFIED FIELD THEORY.

Einstein worked on attempting to develop a UFT on his death bed till he passed away.

Unfortunately it would seem that Human's are not yet EVOLVED to the point that we would be capable of developing a UFT.

Any Space Faring Race capable of VIABLE INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL...and viable means....to be able to travel such incredible distances with a resonable amount of time as the nearest star to Earth other than our own Sun is PROXIMA CENTAURI a Variable Star 4.2 Light Years from Earth.....which at 4.2 Light Years is over 25 TRILLION MILES AWAY......thus IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO USE A FORM OF PROPULSION TO TRAVEL SUCH DISTANCES!!!

The ONLY way such multiple Light Year Distant Stars and Planetary Systems could be traveled to is by FOLDING OR WARPING SPACE-TIME!!!

In school when we were kids the Teacher would ask us..."WHAT IS THE SHORTEST DISTANCE BETWEEN TWO POINTS?"

They taught us the answer to be.....A STRAIGHT LINE!

This is incorrect.

Imagine you have a length of string that is 4 feet 2 inches long and this string represents the 4.2 Light Years of distance in Normal Space-Time between Earth and Proxima Centauri.

If you had a Thumb Tack that you placed on a board to represent Earth and another thumb tack you placed on a board 4 feet 2 inches away from the other to represent Proxima Centauri.....and let's say you left yourself 1/2 an inch just so you could wrap each end of that string around each thumb tack you would have a straight line from one thumb tack to the other 4 feet 2 inches long representing 4.2 Light Years or approx. 25 TRILLION MILES!!!


Even if you could use a form of Thermonuclear Pulse Detonation to PROPEL your spacecraft at a velocity that at it's fastest could only be at 1 MILLION MILES AN HOUR.....and let's just forget for now the problem of how too fast the acceleration of a craft will result IN THE DEATHS OF EVERYONE ON THAT CRAFT...BUT LET'S FOR NOW JUST PRETEND THAT ISSUE DOES NOT EXIST.

If it took you say.....1 YEAR to get up to the velocity of 1 Million Miles and Hour....and 1 Year...to decelerate you back to zero mph......and let's say you traveled 1/2 Million Miles the first Year....and traveled 1/2 Million Miles the last year.....IT WOULD STILL TAKE 2854 YEARS TO TRAVEL TO THE CLOSEST STAR SYSTEM TO EARTH!!

And since such accelerations would definitely KILL everyone on board....never mind that 4.2 Light Tears is JUST THE CLOSEST STAR SYSTEM TO EARTH....as the Universe is a VERY BIG PLACE....and even when we start talking about between 75 and 300 light years distant Planets.....it is OBVIOUS PROPULSION CANNOT BE USED AS A VIABLE FORM OF INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL!!!


SO....how do we do it?

If we take that 4 foot 2 inch long string and instead of pulling it taunt in a straight line.....we instead pull out the two thumbtacks and move the two thumbtacks together thus FOLDING THE SPACE-TIME BETWEEN THEM....the actual answer to the question.....WHAT IS THE SHORTEST DISTANCE BETWEEN TWO POINTS?

Is the answer.....ZERO DISTANCE.....BEING THE SAME POINT!!!

Developing a UFT....would allow us to warp or fold SPACE-TIME....thus allow us to travel VAST INTERSTELLAR DISTANCES....not with PROPULSION....but rather by WARPING OR FOLDING SPACE-TIME!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Rev....do me one other favor....please limit your questions or rebuttles to no more than two or three at a time....it makes it easier for me to answer you this way and I will answer everything and anything you ask me.

I will start with ....

and how Quantum Particle/Wave Forms and the Quantum Level does not in anyway work anything like what ges on in the MACRO LEVEL WORLD....Atoms and UP.....which I posted....


And you replied....
With all due respect, that (above quote) is another good example of word salad that would get you laughed (or booed) right off a stage if in a professional level debate of non advanced physics. The way to say (the above quote) is; 'does quantum mechanics govern or explain macro objects'.

I would hope you will agree with the reality that when we are talking about the Quantum Level.....we are talking about the behavior of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms such as Quarks, Gluons, Electrons, Photons, Higgs Bosons.....etc...correct

And when we are talking about the MACRO LEVEL.....we are talking about anything that exists upon the ATOMIC LEVEL AND UP.....thus an ATOM,.....regardless of how many Neutrons or Protons or equal in number to Protons Electrons as MATTER is comprised of the Atomic Nucleus and the Electrons existing in the same number as the number of protons in that Atomic Nucleus as the Electrons exist in an ELECTRON ORBITAL FIELD SURROUNDING THE ATOMIC NUCLEUS.

Are we in agreement so far?

If so I will continue and address EVERYTHING you have posted.

AboveAlpha

 

As far as CELESTIAL MECHANICS.....I am using this term in the sense as does the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena California does as Developmental Ephemeris (JPL DE) is a widely used model of the solar system, which combines celestial mechanics with numerical analysis and astronomical and spacecraft data....as well as taking into account such Modern Aspects of Celestial Mechanics Calculations such as VSOP82 and VSOP87.


AboveAlpha

 

OK...Rev.....I posted this....

UNFORTUNATELY.....a member misunderstood this post by me and replied something close to......"YOU ARE WRONG!!! QUANTUM LEVEL MECHANICS AND EVENTS OCCUR UPON THE MICRO LEVEL NOT THE MACRO LEVEL!!!"
I of course replied I was well aware of this and that this person simply was misunderstanding what I posted.

As what I was trying to explain to this member is this....."QUANTUM MECHANICS....cannot be defined, explained or used to create a UFT....when TOO SMALL A SYSTEM IS BEING USED!!"


YOU....relied to me this....

But that is nonsense Alpha!! A small system is quantum BY DEFINITION! A large (bigger than subatomic) is a system governed by classical physics. Remember Newton Einstein and others! The only thing a unified field theory is attempting is to unite classical and quantum physics to a seamless affair.

OK....you STILL are not understanding what I am attempting to detail.

Now.....although this cannot be CONSLUSIVELY PROVEN.....QUANTUM MECHANICS is showing us how it is HIGHLY PROBABLE that MORE THAN ONE UNIVERSAL REALITY IS INVOLVED as the things we know, understand and see in Quantum Mechanics are showing us......that Quanttum Mechanics cannot be connected via a UFT in only a SINGLE UNIVERSAL REALITY.

EXAMPLES......Quarks.

Within all Hadrons.....there is always a number of Quarks existing that NEVER ARE LESS THAN A SPECIFIC NUMERICAL MINIMUM and are NEVER MORE THAN A SPECIFIC NUMERICAL MAXIMUM....but the Quarks can exist AT AND BETWEEN THESE NUMERICAL MINIMUMS AND MAXIMUMS WITHIN ALL HADRONS!!!

And more than that....these Quarks are BLINKING IN and out of UNIVERSAL EXISTENCE as they change NUMERICALLY but they never change numerically either more or less then the Quark Numerical Minimum and Maximums within all Hadrons.

But again....THE QUARKS THAT ARE LEAVING....THEY ARE BLINKING OUT OF UNIVERSAL REALITY!!!

The Quarks that are coming into Hardoms and adding to the Number of Quarks within Hadrons.....ARE BLINKING INTO UNIVERSAL REALITY!!!

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Continued.....so.....WHERE ARE THESE QUARKS COMING FROM OR GOING TO????

This is just ONEOUT OF MANY...MANY EXAMPLES that are detailing that the REASON why Physicists are finding it impossible to come up with a UFT are having such issues because they need to look at THE MANY WORLDS THEORY....or in reality now.....USE MULTIVERSAL THEORY.....which is a much more advanced and much more detailed and comprehensive Theory than Many Worlds.

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Rev....you metioned for what reason I have no idea...The Holographic Universe Theory.

WHY????


It is pseudoscientific tripe.

A Holographic Image cannot be projected into EMPTY SPACE!!!

A Holographic Image must be REFLECTED OFF OF MATTER!!!

The IDIOT THAT WROTE THE HOLOGRAPHIC UNIVERSE THEORY SHOULD BE DRAWN AND QUARTERED JUST FOR THE EXTENT OF SUCH A THEORIES STUPIDITY ALONE!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Now....if you disagree or have a different OPINION or perhaps have a different theory you would like to discuss with me....I would be more than happy to do so.

But I see NO REASON for you to post PERSONAL ATTACKS such as stating......"that (above quote) is another good example of word salad that would get you laughed (or booed) right off a stage if in a professional level debate of non advanced physics. The way to say (the above quote) is; 'does quantum mechanics govern or explain macro objects'.....end Quote Rev........or....." Or maybe you are self taught and fabricated many concepts and words?"...end quote Rev.

I would PREFER not to get personal because in the past those members who have GOTTEN PERSONAL AND NASTY with me.....have made me reply to them in ways I personally dislike doing....that being embarrasssing them.....and tearing apart and down any built up respect they might have achieved on this forum.

PLEASE....do not make me become that guy.

Because I am more than capable of doing it.

You have NO IDEA what I am doing right now and no idea what I have been through as only perhaps 2 members here know.....and for you to perhaps take something I have posted and rather than just ASK ME what I ment or if I was perhaps tired and made a mistake.....is a far better course for YOu or ANYONE ELSE.....than a few of the ways you have replied to me granted the way you have replied is nowhere NEAR as impolite and abusive as 10A who PURPOSELY used a few things I could have typed better as I am dealing with a temporary vision problem issue.....as 10A for whatever reason seems to think that catching me making just the most insignificant of mistakes as we all make them....somehow translates into everything that I have in the past were able to show 10A not being either aware or perhaps educated upon a few specific subjects.

EVERYONE....has something that they and they alone are very good at.....I happen to have a wide scope of knowledge in many fields and as always...if you can show me making a mistake and prove it...I will thank you for doing so.

But Rev....DO NOT MAKE THIS PERSONAL!!!!

It is unwise.

AboveAlpha

 

Oh....and Rev....I forgot to mention one VERY BIG EXAMPLE where aspects of QUANTUM MECHANICS are shwoing us that it is highly probable that a Multiversal System exists.

This example is the NOW AVAIABALE FOR PURCHASE.....QUANTUM COMPUTER PROCESSORS!!!

The ONE THING that screams.....THIS IS MOST LIKELY A REALITY....is when we use such a Theory...this one being a MULTIVERSAL SYSTEM EXISTING......and then....DEVELOP A PRACTICAL APLLICATION USING SUCH A THEORY!!!

As many people know.....the mear act of OBSERVATION of a QUANTUM PARTICLE/WAVE FORM.....locks in VALUE AND FUNCTION!!!

Prior to Observation.....such Quanta EXIST IN A STATE OF SUPERPOSITION.....thus they are prior to Observation as part of their own Nature.....A PART OF EVERY SINGLE DIVERGENT ALTERNATE UNIVERSAL STATE OF REALITY that exists within our Single Universal Baseline Group Reality.....as there are also Infinite in Number Universal Baseline Groups Realities that have absolutely NOTHING in common with our Universal Baseline Reality as they have different Natural Laws and Constructs.

At the moment of Observation....such Quanta BECOMES LOCKED INTO OUR SINGLE UNIVERSAL REALITY.

This is NOT OPINION......as it is the very basis and foundation that QUANTUM COMPUTERS ARE DEVELOPED FROM!!!

AboveAlpha

 

A photon can have angular momentum, but for a photon that value can be zero, or come in many other quantized options. Angular momentum is basically rotation around the forward axis of direction, and is basically the same thing as energy of rotation. Many people are not aware that light can also be circularly polarized. This is actually different from angular momentum, and is basically equivalent to the photon being magnetized.

If a laser could ever be developed that could control angular momentum or create circular polarization, we could have a laser beam that could either impart magnetization, or cause the target to physically spin.

That's not quite true. It depends what you mean by "mass". One could say it acts as if it has zero rest mass, in some ways.

According to some theories, it may be theoretically possible for a particle with a high enough energy to overcome the quantum background energy and slightly exceed this value. However, such an extremely high energy particle would quickly dissipate it's energy into the vacuum, and other particles would form.

Electric current flowing in a conductor is different from electrons in a vacuum. Individual electrons in an electric current actually move rather slowly, it is the transfer of current that moves fast. Imagine a street with a line of 5 cars at a traffic signal. The light turns green and the first car begins to accelerate forward. As soon as they move forward, the car behind begins to move forward, and so on. The first car initially could only be moving very slowly, but it does not take very long for the movement of the first car to result in the movement of the last car, if each driver is paying close attention to the car ahead. Voltage is basically like the pressure or "force" pushing the current, and does not transfer into velocity unless the electron is forced from the conductor into a vacuum.

That's not really entirely true. The photon simultaneously exists only at a single point and multiple points simultaneously. In reality, the photon exists at the point, but it's waveform exists at multiple points, and it is this waveform that is responsible for entanglement, or in other words what the point-like character of the electron is allowed to do. The point-like electron interacts in ways that the waveform cannot.

This is somewhat of a philosophical assertion, to ask what an electron actually is.
We can say this, it has both a point-like component and a wave-like component, and each of those components interact in a different way with other particles.

No...

It is because the electric current moving through the conductor is entangled (or coupled) with the electrons spinning in the magnet. The wave-like nature is telling the particles that they cannot impart any of their energy into the conductor (such as the form of resistive heat). This is basically conservation of energy.

What if we view space-time as not simply a stretchable fabric, but something that actually has energy and mass itself ? Imagine a sloshy sea of energy. Very long wavelengths and huge amplitudes. If the wavelengths are long enough, the energy will not interact with matter in the same way that ordinary electromagnetic radiation does.

 

Anders...I appreciate the oppertunity to discuss these things with you and I will take a few at a time as it is easier for me to anser that way.

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As far as your comments about the Laser....this would be introducing other Quanta into the Photon Beam and using the Lasers frequency as a sort of Carrier Wave.

The FEL....or Free Electron Laser.


The Free Electron Laser (FEL), is a type of laser that uses very-high-speed electrons that move freely through a magnetic structure,[1] hence the term free electron as the lasing medium.[2][not in citation given] The free-electron laser has the widest frequency range of any laser type, and can be widely tunable,[3] currently ranging in wavelength from microwaves, through terahertz radiation and infrared, to the visible spectrum, ultraviolet, and X-ray.[4]

LINK....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_electron_laser

Continued....AboveAlpha