Ding Dong the witch is dead.

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by TOG 6, Nov 11, 2016.

  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    do you think they will have as easy a time getting in here as they did under Obama? Must be upsetting to see the Hillary gun control dreams get flushed down the toilet,
     
  2. 10A

    10A Chief Deplorable Past Donor

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    I was using your own sources, if you disagree with them then you shouldn't quote them as a source. You are mixing gunshots with other forms of homicide, so that data is meaningless. Accusing me of cherry picking and a "meaningless meme" when it's a fact here in the US that there are more guns, and your own data says deaths have fallen, is just flat out denial.

    What you do in Australia may bother me, may sadden me, but that's your own issues. Australia and the USA have a lot in common, what we don't have in common is 1776.
     
  3. Bowerbird

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    I love how people try to deny cherry picking and misquoting even when presented with clear evidence

    But then the right never takes responsibility for any wrong doing
     
  4. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    :roflol:
    Your failure to understand US politics is impressive.

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    Thank you for your meaningless opinion.
     
  5. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    LOL! Risk takers get caught because they keep taking risks. It's addictive - go find some risk takers and ask them ;-)

    Crooked does not equal stupid, but fortunately for the rest of us the crooked path does often lead straight to jail or early death - not often enough,

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    A few more mass shootings and Gun Free Zones will be banned in the US.
     
  6. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    You are fully aware of the fact that your statement is false.
    Hillary is openly hostile to the right to keep and bear arms and, should she ever have the chance, will lay as many restrictions on the right to bear arms as she can.

    Hillary believes the Supreme Court “Got it wrong” when it said the 2nd protects an individual right not connected with service in the militia.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lP3wjxJwlk
    http://freebeacon.com/politics/leaked-audio-clinton-says-supreme-court-is-wrong-on-second-amendment/

    She believes ‘assault weapons’ should be banned.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...pons-ban-12-years-after-the-last-one-expired/

    She seeks a national gun registry, photo licensing for gun owners, and ballistic fingerprinting of guns
    http://www.nytimes.com/2000/05/10/nyregion/mrs-clinton-backs-gun-control-initiatives.html

    She seeks universal background checks, a law that cannot be enforced without universal registration of firearms.
    https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/

    She seeks to allow liability lawsuits against gun manufacturers when someone steals a legal gun from its legal owner and commits a crime with it
    https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/

    She believes it is ‘worth looking at” an Aussie-style mandatory buy back of firearms, followed by confiscation of weapons not surrendered
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-gun-buybacks_us_56216331e4b02f6a900c5d67

    Cite, please.
     
  7. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    As has been mentioned previously: These laws violate the US constitution.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Reality Well-Known Member

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    And mostly that's because they don't take the time or effort to objectively assess their chances. Because they don't care. You're not so great at the whole supporting your argument thing huh?
     
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    How do you trace the gun back to me without registration?
     
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    There are a few methods a person making a private party sale can use, IF they want to be reasonably sure the person they are selling to, is Not a Felon.

    1. Photo copy of the buyer's Driver's license.
    Felons will not comply, they will offer a lame excuse and run like a chicken being chased by Colonel Sanders of Kentucky fried chicken.

    2. Sell only to those with concealed carry IDs and photocopy the ID.

    3. Sell only on consignment through an FFL.
    The buyer pays the transfer fee.
     
  12. Rucker61

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    Back when Colorado was a free state, I saw plenty of ads for guns for sale that included action #2 as part of the terms of sale. We could also open up NICS to private parties, which would allow a seller to screen a buyer.
     
  13. DoctorWho

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    There is one other option I did not include and will now; a C&R license from ATF, it allows holders of those Licenses to buy approved firearms directly from an FFL saving lots of money as opposed to buying retail, these licences can be verified on the ATF website.

    While all this is a hassle and not required, it also reduces the abstract possibility of buying a stolen firearm.
     
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    And yet I am able to support my arguments rather well on this thread. I know - it's like a miracle. ;-)

    In fact, the odds favor the criminals. Crime really does pay.

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    IOW, guns are much safer than ladders and paint buckets.
     
  15. TOG 6

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    Yes. If child safety is your issue, there are much bigger fish.
     
  16. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    That's right. Most of the arguments for gun control and gun bans are frivolous and irrational.
     
  17. perdidochas

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    I still don't trust him on the issue--his first reaction to Sandy Hook was to advocate for gun control. His first reaction to the Orlando shootings was to take away due process in RKBA. He's not one of us. He may not actively push gun control, but with a dem Congress, I can see him caving on it.
     
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    Well, the Brady Bill was signed by Clinton. Reagan advocated for it in his senility, not in his right mind. Reagan did sign the Hughes Amendment, though.
     
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    Since we have a republican majority congress, I guess we wont have to worry about that.
     
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    Exactly. Yes, he will be better than Hillary--at least he won't be actively seeking gun control as a goal, but I can see him giving in to the dems, if they take Congress in 2018. He's not a true believer in gun rights.
     
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    If trump wants something he will have to give up something to get it and he will sell you out in a minute
     
  22. Bowerbird

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    Remember Australian gun laws were introduced by a staunch conservative here.
     
  23. DoctorWho

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    Australian Conservatives are diametrically opposite of American Conservatives and believe more in a so called "Collective Good" Rather more of a Communist / Socialist / Marxist Ideology, than anything else.
    More Marx & Stalin than
    Sir Winston Churchill.
     
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    Who expressly said that those laws couldn't have been passed in the US with the 2nd Amendment, and which laws didn't have any more effect on the homicide rate than laws (or lack thereof) in the US.

    Of course, Australia has an effective immigration policy.
     
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    So she claims. However Barack Obama claimed over and over that anyone who liked their health insurance plan would be allowed to keep it. This was proven to be blatantly false.

    The law in question dictated that for firearms to be legal, along with being registered by a certain date, they had to be stored in a completely inoperable manner, preferably disassembled, thus rendering them completely useless for personal or home defense. Those who legally owned handguns within the district of columbia were not even legally allowed to move the firearm from one room to another in their own homes.

    And children can undo securement methods as easily as an adult if they are observant and curious.

    The mandate did apply evenly across the board, no exceptions.

    Perhaps it could not be done directly by Donald Trump, but the incoming congress could simply propose legislation that would withhold federal funding for schools that maintain prohibitions on firearms on school grounds.
     

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