Do Americans Think...

Kosovo.

 

How was Kosovo destroyed? And I suppose we should've stood by while the Serbians massacred the Muslims?

 

Kosovo was over run by Albanian criminal gangs. After a series of failed attacks on police stations, the Albanians piled their dead along a road and claimed the Serbs had massacred them. UN forensic teams discovered the scam but Clinton bombed anyway. Now days Kosovo is one of the most corrupt countries in Europe. Most if its political leaders are involved with organized crime. But then Albania, where they came from, is also highly corrupt.

 

Then it isn't destroyed. And I know all about corrupt Albanians. I've seen "Taken" you know (insert joke here but it was a great movie).

 

Name one country invaded by the US that wasn't aggressive to our allies or another country.

The truth is, the US is the country that comes in and tries to provide justice in the world. We don't simply invade countries for nation building or to attempt to steal resources. Our actions are always a response to a perceived injustice. Our efforts are not perfect, as any conflict is going to potentially create new problems, but our efforts are noble.

Compared to Russia's invasion of Jordan or Russia of Taiwan... your america hating logic is ridiculously misdirected and completely false.

 

No... your original presumptions of your post are so mis-guided, most people don't even k ow where to start.

When somebody only posts typical left wing progressive talking points, most people realize it's a lost effort to have a reasonable discussion. We will see.

 

Iraq killed far more people, a genocide even, before we attempted to control Hussain through sanctions.

You ignore these facts to point out the unfortunate deaths that resulted from removing a tyrant from power potentially saving thousands of lives.

Your perspectives are so cheery picked and one sided.

 

My hope is that the USA will soon only have dealings with foreign countries in the realm of trade for profits -- and bring all the troops home and leave other countries the hell alone -- except trade -- with any country regardless of what they do to their own people. That's their business and only their business.

 

It used to be part of Serbia, so the US broke Serbia into two parts.

 

What about Saudi Arabia's endless bombing of Yemen. All with the backing of the US.

 

What an evil thing to say.

 

This is what total denial looks like, folks!

 

Which has nothing to do with any of the points I made.

 

LBJ not only allowed the industrial complex to grow, but he was part of the club. The so called, "other countries," that is referred to in this thread is pretty much an irrelevant term to globalists.

LBJ pocketed money on every single square foot of concrete that was poured in Vietnam.

The Democrats saw that there were no checks and balances and Tip O'Neil ran the train at full speed just like James K. Polk did with his spoils kickbacks back in the 1840s.

The only thing that has slowed it down since was the, "Contract With America," but we all know that the DNC-E and GOP-E punched their ticket after 9/11/2001 and it has been on steroids ever since until about the Summer of 2017 whenTrump started to look at an actual needs agenda.

 

US "allies" are often thugs themselves. Just look at Saudi Arabia. A literal dictatorship that brutally suppresses all democracy and human rights within its own borders.

No, it doesn't. The US supports dictatorships and terrorists and causes widespread death and suffering through its actions.

This might be some of the most naive bullcrap I've ever heard.

Criticism of the US government's imperialism isn't hating America.

 

Every single thing I said was 100% factual.

The US has invaded and occupied more countries that any other government on the planet.

The US props up brutal dictatorships that engage in the most heinous violations of human rights.

The US has wasted trillions of taxpayer dollars on failed interventions overseas.

All of that is true. And you can't handle it, so you just call it "misguided" and parrot some vacuous nationalist talking points in response.

Except you're the one who supports "progressive" policies. Policing the world, as you wish to do, was originally a progressive ideal, not a conservative one. The founders practiced and preached neutrality in foreign affairs. They were wise and experienced enough to understand that the US could not and should not go on moral and political crusades outside its own borders. You're the one who adheres to the utopian belief in the power of the government to radically reform the entire world in America's image. And you support the high taxes, the authoritarianism, and the collectivism that such a foreign policy entails.

 

I remember getting $102.50 a month out of the deal in 1967. Slavery reinstituted.

 

Saddam Hussein was a US client who rose to power and stayed in power with the assistance of the US government. The US and other western countries supplied Saddam with the weapons he used to commit his atrocities. The US encouraged Saddam's invasion of Iran, which led to millions of deaths. US sanctions on Iraq are estimated to have killed 500,000 children. And when asked if it was worth the cost, then secretary of state, Madeline Albright, responded that it was worth the cost. That's your glorious and just USA - killing hundreds of thousands of innocent children because the dictator they used to sponsor stopped cooperating.

 

We should have left Saddam in power and got the most profit possible from trade with Iraq.

What he did to his own people was none of our business.

 

I already know what his response will be. Something along the lines of: IRAN BAD, HOUTHIS BAD.

All he can do is spout Fox News talking points that he heard on Sean Hannity. He doesn't have a single independent thought.

 

"We" shouldn't have aided his rise to power in the first place.

 

Drill baby drill. Fill baby fill. Up to topoff.

 

True. But now we must disengage with all other countries and leave them the hell alone.

 

The problem is that in spite of generally good intentions, because of the reality of war, our efforts to be the defenders of liberty blows up in our faces. Mistakes happen. Bad things happen. We end up wiping out innocent people and lots of women and children. Soldiers go nuts and start executing or torturing people. Things get out of control. Not to mention the enormous toll it takes on US soldiers and families. A cousin of mine did 5 tours in Iraq. On his last tour, they attacked the wrong place and killed a bunch of kids. He had to help collect the body parts. He never got over it. About a year after his tour ended he committed suicide.

 

Isn't it funny how Republicans object to virtually every attempt by government to socially engineer American society, yet support virtually every attempt by government to socially engineer foreign societies?

Apparently, the same government that is too inept and corrupt to provide welfare and regulate businesses in America becomes noble and just and competent when it sets foot on foreign soil.