Do dogs have a Spirit

There is nothing in scripture to support this twisted version of trinitarian theology, in fact the doctrine of the trinity itself is a later invention.

 

In Hebrew the word for soul is "nephesh". (Strong's numbering system 5315).
Same word is being used for a soul of a man - "nephesh" 5315.

"Nephesh" is also used in context of animals ...

It is found in Genesis in about 3-4 instances .
Most English translations translate it as "creature". Some translate it as "soul", like in a Darby translation below.
But the Hebrew word is "nephesh" 5315, which is definitely a soul.

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground Jehovah Elohim had formed every animal of the field and all fowl of the heavens, and brought [them] to Man, to see what he would call them; and whatever Man called each living soul, that was its name.
[Darby]

So yes, animals have soul.

Is it a same soul as people have?
Probably not ... but that is another topic for discussion.
But they definitely have a soul.

Thanks,
Ed

 

Definitely yes.
The Hebrew word for spirit is "ruah" (Strong's numbering 7307).
Animals do have a spirit.

The Ecclesiastes text is also confirmed in a Septuagint (oldest) translation from Hebrew into Greek ...
Eccl 3:21 And who has seen the spirit of the sons of man, whether it goes upward? and the spirit of the beast, whether it goes downward to the earth?

Thanks,
Ed

 

Of course it is, because they're creatures.

This seems to indicate otherwise:

Strong's Definition

From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.​

There's no "probably" about it; and I have no idea what the assertion that animals have souls can possibly add to any discussion beyond confusion.

 

You are listing the word usages as translated into English. And you are using 5314 instead of 5315.

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/5315.htm
5315. nephesh ►
Strong's Concordance
nephesh: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion
Original Word: נָ֫פֶשׁ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: nephesh
Phonetic Spelling: (neh'-fesh)
Short Definition: soul

Primary definition of this word is soul.

Human souls are also called nephesh. Same word.

No confusion.
Animals have spirits as well as souls.

Are animals being saved as people are?
No. Salvation is for people only.

Do animals go to Heaven?
All animals go to Heaven ... even the goldfish.
I can share with you the verses if you wish ...

Thanks,
Ed

 

Do you sincerly believe that to be the case or are you just telling us what the bible appears to assert?

 

A spirit and a soul aren't the same thing according to most conceptions. I'm not sure if people in the thread are clear on this.

 

Well duh.

No, I'm using Strong's definition of "nephesh", 5315 - which notes the derivation of the latter from the verb "naphash", 5314.

Which is of no moment when the context dictates that the primary definition cannot apply.

Which is of no moment if animals are called nephesh, since animals don't have anything like human souls.

Sure, because only people can sin - which in turn is because only people have souls.

I'm sure that's a great comfort to people who love their animals because they find loving people impossible.

 

Edit: Wrong thread.

 

I am a Christian and I believe what the Bible says.
And yes, I do sincerely believe this.

The text below says that the creation (meaning anything alive) will be saved from decay (rotting of flesh when animal dies) and brought into the freedom of Heaven where people are. ...

Romans 8:19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed...21 ... the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.

Thanks,
Ed

 

I did not say anything about animals having a human soul.
We know however that animals have a soul.
Nephesh is nephesh.

Also, soul is not defined by whether or not one is capable of sinning.

People can sin because we are made in the image of a divine God, not because we have a soul.
We are not divine, of course.
Yet we do have some of it left over from Adam, or at least some distant copy of divinity.
Adam was not divine either.
But he participated IN God's divinity while being with God at the Garden of Eden.

Animals are not capable of sinning, yet they also have a soul.
Not a "human" soul as you defined it, yet they have one.

Soul is an immaterial you (or I) that is a product of all that we had done in life and all the choices we made and what "shaped" us.
Soul is who we really are after we lived a life.
It is us without a body.

And once a soul leaves the body each human soul really wants Heaven.
And Christ saves souls ... if a person wants saving, that is.

 

Speak for yourself. I know they don't.

Great, thanks for nothing.

It is on this side of the grave.

a God Who cannot sin. Sure, that makes all kinds of sense.

So we're not souls when we're born?

 

Why are you getting upset?

You are saying you know they have no soul.
And I am showing in the Bible that they do.

How do you personally know animals have no souls?

 

Why are you insulting my intelligence with crap like "nephesh is nephesh"?

No, you're pretending a word in the Bible that has several possible meanings can only have one.

Because they can't sin, which means they cannot recognize or deny God's presence, as every soul can.

 

The primary meaning of nephesh is soul.
And I made it a point, at least twice, to suggest that it does not necessarily mean a human soul.

But why do you say that sinning means recognizing or denying God's presence?

Sinning is breaking a law of God even if one does not believe in God.
The basic "commandments" like do not steal, murder are written on everyone's heart ... we sense the law of God, even if we do not believe in God.
Take a look at text below, especially at verse 14.

Romans 2:12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

 

Indeed you did; and assuming you're not trying to be insolent, what the hell you hope to accomplish by repeating yourself is anyone's guess.

I didn't say that, I said it requires the capacity to do one or the other. Which animals don't have.

So?

 

But of course animals have a capacity to obey or disobey ... in their case one's owner.
And disobedience to the law of a higher authority is "sin".
They know when they did something wrong and youtube has plenty of cute videos of dogs exhibiting guilty behavior after they tore up a pillow and confronted by their owner.

I do not understand why you are trying to link having a soul with capacity to sin.
But since you do, yes, animals do willingly "sin" when they disobey their owner ...

 

Yes they do.
Their spirit is the state of mind they are in at any articular moment in time.
But I think you mean do they have a soul.

Soul in the Hebrew was called nephesh.
It meant mind, itself.
Dogs have minds which are recreated when the dog is born.
These dogs have a Conscious mind, Unconscious mind and Subconscious mind just as we do.

The thing is that access into the Unconscious mind has not been possible.
Yet in time humans will gain access into the Unconscious mind, and pain, death, and sorrow and even the past will disappear for us.
Like the power of Hypnosis, we will have control over things we do not now.
Also, we will remember our own passed lives, hence death will be replaced by what we understand as life after life.

 

Sure, if that authority is God - not otherwise.

No, they exhibit submissive behavior, such as canines in the wild exhibit towards an alpha male. Animals respect power, not love - just like people whose humanity is compromised.

 

Nephesh in the Greek Bible is written as "psyke'."

 

Trinity is derived from the fact that Jesus said he was The Truth, [John 14:6].

Hence the father of Truth is Reality.
Truth is the image of Reality.
One is the other for men.
Men must see The Truth and then assume it describes Reality for them.



Reality is outside, and the truth is inside his head.

 

Gibberish.

 

In the New Testament (which is in Greek) soul is "psyche".
Or did you mean today's Greek Bibles that have the OT in Greek?

 

But highly entertaining don't you think!

 

That is the best you have...?

Seems clear that Truth is the mediator by which we discern Reality.