Do social conservatives hate individuality?

People will live how they live. You can encourage more productive lifestyles but ultimately people should live the way they want to live, and if they suffer for it, so be it.

The social conservative dogma of enforcing good behaviour is just blatant authoritarianism, pure and simple.

 

What you're not acknowledging is that there is a real life cause and effect that occurs when society degenerates too much and strays too far from the principles that built it in the first place. It's not a coincidence that the more secular and moral relativist the country becomes, the less free it also becomes by default.

It was understood from the beginning that the only way the American experiment would ever be able to last is if the people, themselves, remained good and moral people. Because only good and moral people can be self-governing. The minute goodness goes out the window, more laws are needed to hold society together.

Now I agree with you that the most effective way to maintain a healthy and moral society is by promoting positive and productive values rather than enforcing them. Because when people are forced to do things against their will, the natural tendency is to rebel. But if we're not even making the effort to promote a correct way of living in our society as the dominant culture anymore, then we're being stupid if we actually think we're going to get anything positive in return. Because we're sowing poisoned seeds and expecting a bountiful harvest. And life doesn't work that way.

 

What part of this is none of the government's business is not understood?

The government is the servant of the People, regardless of how they choose to live so long as they don't violate someone else's Rights. It is not our master and should not be imposing the opinions of other Americans upon us, ever!

 

What part of NATURAL CAUSE AND EFFECT do YOU not understand?

If you stop doing what works, you stop getting those results. It's not that hard to figure out. You're a bright....... guy/girl...... I've never been able to figure out your gender to be honest with you........ but you should be able to get this quite easily. Not all choices produce the same results. Good choices produce good results. Bad choices produce bad results. When a culture that was built on good choices changes to promote bad choices, it will not produce the same results. And it will end up less free because of this. This is the natural law of cause and effect. Your personal beliefs on this are irrelevant. It's simply what happens. Now, you can get mad about it or you can accept it. You can fight it or you can work with it. But it's going to happen regardless. Because that's how life works. Once upon a time this was called common sense. But today nobody has this anymore, so perhaps it would better be labeled as uncommon sense.

 

The problem is that there is a misrepresentation of "cause and effect" because prohibiting a person from doing that which harms no one is the far bigger problem. A homosexual couple forming a family is not a negative but instead a positive as "families" are the foundation of society. A person smoking pot that doesn't harm anyone but does bring joy to the user is a positive thing and not a negative unless someone claims that being happy is a bad thing.

Now, can I point out a negative thing? Brainwashing a child with religion before they are capable of understanding and questioning that which they are "being taught" is child abuse IMHO. We shouldn't brainwash our children and all learning has an "age appropriate" level that must be reached or its nothing but brainwashing. So why do we allow that to happen?

 

Simple. They know beyond a doubt if they don't brainwash them while they're kids, nobody will buy what they're selling. And they can't have that. It's bad enough them damn queers are allowed to have queer sex without putting them in jail, dontchaknow.

 

If you actually read my first post that you got offended by, you'd see that I said that enforcing things doesn't work as well as promoting them. Because enforcement creates resistance.

Additionally, you still don't seem to understand what natural cause and effect is. It's not hurting "no one" if the entire culture crumbles over time because society now promotes something destructive or inferior as the new norm over what previously worked and held things together. Do you see how that works? You're trying to change the foundation while expecting the building not to fall. That works fine in fantasy land, but it doesn't happen in real life.

No, nuclear families are the foundation of a healthy society. Something that people who oppose social conservatism have worked tirelessly to systematically subvert. Which - again - has real life consequences. The fact that you choose to ignore them does not make them go away.

I actually support pot legalization, so this doesn't really apply to me.

Oh dear God! How is "brainwashing" a child with religion any worse than brainwashing them with politically correct ideas of "tolerance?" The only fundamental difference is the results produced by the two ideologies. Judeo-Christian values built the society we live in. Cultural marxist political correctness is now rotting it from within. If we judge a tree by the fruit that it bears, it quickly becomes quite obvious which ideology is the healthier one to teach to children. Which one will make them better people, build better character, make them morally stronger, and more self-sufficient. Which will increase their chances of succeeding in the world as opposed to falling into an arbitrary victim group with a petty grievance to base their entire identity around.

Although I do happen to agree with you that the age of the child should be considered, and things should only be taught as they are capable of being intellectually digested. But I think most good churches already do this. I certainly didn't have fire and brimstone dumped on me at church when I was 5 years old. In fact, I didn't even really fully see the religious component until I got older. Most of the younger lessons were just more based on character building.

 

I'm not saying we shouldn't promote it - I, who grew up successfully in a nuclear family, could see first hand how wrong people who didn't went - I'm only saying it's always a bad idea for the government to regulate it, like with anything else, because they're usually not doing it for anyone's well-being, they're doing it to buy votes; and if, god forbid, they ARE doing it for what they perceive to be your well being, Run Forest, Run! Because that means they'll make all their personal morals law, and that leads to discrimination against and punishment everyone who doesn't do
what they do.

I respect social conservatives who can say "I believe this, but I'm not going to force you to do it". Considering much of what they preach is religiously based, and we know how pushy religious types can be, it says a lot about their respect for other people.

In fact I'd almost take a kind of sick pleasure in being there at the end of Pax Americana - right at the point where all those bumbling idiots who threw away freedoms and acted irresponsibly realized all they'd done had doomed them. Will they be socialist idiots, or Fascist ones? Don't know. Will it be doom to the Chinese, or the Islamists? Again, don't know. But they'll cause their own downfall; and if I'm alive at the time, which I won't be, I could sit there smugly and say I was right.

If people don't want to save themselves, there's not much you can do about it. However, on the off chance we can get people to listen to reason, I'll keep opining it.