Do the British People deserve to have a referendum on absconding from the EU?

The devil is in the details.

Boris Johnson is discovering that Brexit only works when it’s a fantasy
When the prime minister had to deal with the details, it all went wrong.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/10/23/boris-johnson-is-discovering-that-brexit-only-works-when-its-fantasy/​

 

Now the Remoanics are saying we can have an election so long as 16 and 17 year olds can vote!

The deadline is near - Macron wants to give only a 15 day extension. Tusk 3 mths The Polish gangster is talking about 3 weeks too - or Boris could just refuse to sign any Treaty and we walk on the 31st to arrange a free trade agreement later - which is what we should have done in the beginning.

 

Because the people want their revenge and the wicked ones know it.
Oh no this 2nd referendum they plan to plonk on us has no mention of Leave in it = Remain or Leave, with the deal we haven't negotiated yet = Remain.

 

Three years of the demonstration of impotence is quite enough.

Don't deny the now far-more-savvy People's right to take control of their fate.

 

I was wondering how the EU and their cronies would keep the UK in. Delay, delay, and then delay some more. Then once the people are good and sick of the circus they will be presented with another option that is not an option. The EU cannot allow countries to leave, it will fracture what they are building. I cannot argue with the effectiveness of the plot. They were surprised about the results of the first referendum, they will be damn sure this one goes how they want. Unified Europe will be a truly powerful federation once it comes to pass. This will help speed it along just as long as the UK fails in its bid to leave.

 

The EU and two PMs have reached Brexit agreements. The British House has rejected them.

 

Yah that is the delaying part in order to frustrate the populace and "educate" them enough to change their minds.

 

Remainers have come over to Leave, not the other way round. And no one is asking for a rerun but a different referendum all together - which has been voted down twice by Parliament.

 

Only a public referendum after three years of witnessing parliamentary impotence will reflect the public sentiment.

How may more years must the People be required to endure the politicians' failure without being allowed to express their opinion?

 

I would think so, since the Brexit campaign was fueled by lying profiteers looking to cash in on the whole affair. Thing is, Boris won't allow it, he's one who will profit. He also knows there's a good chance the vote would go the other way, and then he's out all that money.

 

You just have to let the "Remainers" have their little fit every now and then.

Literally ever since Brexit first happened, you have seen the UK Deep State in action trying to stall and obfuscate every issue to the point of "Well why even bother!"

It's really their last gasp, they know that everything is going to be fine and other nations will follow suit.

Finally, the International Banks are freaking out, terrified that their global ponzi scheme is coming to an end.

It's hilarious, you have the leader of the IMF, Christine Legarde, claiming that Trump is destroying the European economy by making the American economy more powerful.

When all of the Central Banks hate someone, you can pretty much guarantee that "someone" is the Good Guy.

Hilariously, I think that all of this "Identity Politics" crap was just a way to subvert people from looking at the banks with Occupy Wall Street (OWS). Right after that, they had their corporate cronies launch all these wierd "hate" campaigns infused with identity politics, think about it, right around 2009 is when it started.

They know people are figuring them out all over The West, I am SOOOOO freaking excited to be alive to see their fall!

 

Oh and by the way, pretty hilarious that the old manager at the IMF, is now going to lead the ECB. Ya kidding me?!?!?!

----- For added fun, do a little research project on how many people that work at CNN, have a relationship with someone at an intelligence agency. Learning is funnnnnndamental!!!!

 

The public sentiment today is such that if general elections were held now, Boris would get true majority in British parliament.
Why do you think British opposition does not want new elections?
Majority would vote for Boris to finally implement the results of the first referendum.

 

How many times do I have to repeat this.

Parliament have voted down ( Ayes to the Left) a 2nd referendum twice! They cannot ask that same question again during this Parliamentary session ffs.

We want a General Election - which would answer the Brexit question - but Parliament are refusing us one.

 

It wasn't. It was experience based.

 

How would a general election answer the problem? No candidate is going to stand on a simple “in or out” manifesto and no (rational) voter is going to vote on that basis. You also have the issue of safe seats, where a candidate could hang on even if a large minority or even slight majority disagree with their individual stance on Brexit and the fact there are so many independents, semi-independents and party rebels that even electing a particular individual in a constituency doesn’t actually guarantee their position on Brexit will be represented in Parliament.

And after all that, it will almost inevitably be a hung parliament leading to weak coalition which, regardless of who it is, will struggle to agree a definitive policy and still struggle to get that policy through Parliament. Suddenly it’s mid-January and nothing will have changed (unless the whole mess is manipulated to force a no-deal exit by default). A second referendum isn’t necessarily much better but a General Election is certainly no kind of solution to anything.

 

The Brexit Party will stand on an in out manifesto. The old Labour Heart lands have been betrayed by labour on many levels but the would never vote Conservative - they would vote BP - Farage. You do not realise how angry people are at the way Labour and Libdems have wrecked our Brexit and our democratic system including ripping the constitution, and many conventions based on an Honour system, to bits - the dirty tricks they have used has sent many many many remain voters over to the Brexit side.

This is one tactical voting plan
https://oneuk.org/?fbclid=IwAR04Vu4RG4cxBLKk4I2QyQxl7clShAnG7vscF0T4Vupnta7GhLJ3fhJd4Jk

We don't know what Boris would stand on - we do know if people use their thinkers that the BP could gain 100 seats Labour seats - they would back Boris but also keep the Boris Gov on a serious course to OUT.

The EU have not got back to us yet and does Boris will accept an extension that he did not request? We don't know yet.

Even so we need a GE in the near future because we have a Government which cannot govern..

 

Stand out on what though? Farage has strongly criticised Johnson's deal so it isn’t clear what they’d campaign on or what Brexit policy they could agree with the Conservatives to form a coalition.

You’re also still assuming that most voters will vote entirely on the basis of Brexit and ignore anything else about the candidates, their parties and any other issues or policies. I simply don’t see that is at all realistic.

I agree, but an actual election to form a government of the basis of a full program or national policy, after Brexit is resolved (at least the initial exit). We don’t need a proxy referendum or a general election based on a single issue.

 

The Brexit Party do have a manifesto = don't ask me what it is though It will be on their website. I am pleased that I won't have to give them my X. True they are really only a protest Party or rather they are an unknown and untried party but who is the North, the Midlands and Wales going to vote for, for their Leave vote to count? Tory they will never vote for. Nigel has to get up and out there to push home his point. He killed the Kippers - he should make good his decision to do so to those most affected by the horrors of the EU. Is he up to it? I dunno but many many are listening to him - Old Labour Strongholds don't trust Westminster or the establishment, an inch, but now they hate this Labour Party too --- I don't know what state Ukip is in now but there are place were they could stand a chance this time around. As someone said yesterday Farage should start using his thinker instead of running off with his mouth. He like Corbyn was is a voice of protest - the proof of that pudding is his for the taking - if he splits the vote he will never be forgiven..

The labour Party have a large vote in the main Cities and Muslim vote ( which is not to be dismissed). Perhaps the old mining towns are too entrenched in Labour to change who they lend their vote - but most of the ex industrial towns and cities are unhappy with the way the labour party has treated them for quite a long time now - and not just about Brexit.

Remember Thatcher's first Gov - they won by a Landslide - I hated her but - though such a landslide is not certain, by any means, especially after Cameron and May, it is possible.

 

Macron wants us out though and France is top EU dog now.

 

Yeh when they have their intended 200 million - though the latest figures from the UN are 180 million for the UK alone - migrants from Africa and the ME - yes it will be a force to be reckoned with from within and without. Europeans are rising up everywhere - we are turning on the EU.

 

Three years. How many more years of impotence should the British People be forced to endure before they are allowed to express the democratic will?

 

They made a giant mistake. Now the country is understanding just what a gigantic blunder it was and they should have a chance to vote again now that they have new information. Driving off a cliff can be avoided once you see it.

 

Like Britain couldn't enact their own immigration better and more open than the EU? Ridiculous. I've never heard that argument. I have heard In Education mind you, where I'm paying through the nose, about notions of a Brexit, we're saving the Pound Sterling, a tuppence, two-bits and a brass farthing. Who's even heard of a Euro across the Pond anyway, I have had very limited exposure to the Euro.

 

Why is that Woolley ( I remember you from Slate and the other place)? You know that the vote would be even larger for Leave now don't you? The anger in the country toward the Remoaner wreckers in Parliament is palpable - and could boil over at any moment. Which is why Boris is pushing - they do not want civil unrest on top of everything else.

The only ones calling for a 2nd referendum ( voted down by Parliament) do not intend giving us another Leave vote but a Remain choice or an 'unspecified, unnegotiated' Deal ( remain) choice.

The EU is a ponzi scheme/protection racket - the whole of Europe wants OUT,