Do the reps want to abolish public schools?

Exactly how big a voucher is going to be required to allow the student who goes to public school to attend a private school. Ten, fifteen or twenty thousand per year?

 

Simply put we do not want to get rid of public schools. We just want schools brought back to local control that goes no higher than the state. We want the stupidity and control of the Fed Dept of Ed abolished, and all that money saved.

 

Big schools and liberal arts colleges are obsolete institutions. Education should, for the most part, be online and decentralized.

 

Yep, Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Columbia goin' the way of the dinosaur.

 

Considering the horse crap they're pushing outside of the hard sciences and that's beginning to infiltrate even there, they fully deserve extinction especially given the obscene cost of an ivy league education these days.

 

Have you looked at the supreme court lately?

 

Prima facie evidence of the need for their extinction.

 

A lot of the push to downgrade public education is at the state level. I agree though that most of the federal education initiatives seem to get in the way more than they help.

Coming from a place where the public school system works pretty well I don't see anyone in government who really seems to care. It feels like every new edict from state or federal government is an attempt to screw up everything we have that works. But the pressure from state government is the worst, because they are the ones with real power.

I believe our governor wants to promote the perception that every single public school here is a failure and schools that do well are a problem because of this. I think he gets a lot of money from private school interest, who could make more money if people are afraid of letting their children go to public schools. I suspect that he would still have public schools exist but would let them get much worse, maybe even hasten that process.

 

The now very repulsive Ivies will have to go online and compete with the Phoenix University model or die. Hard science may justify the real estate they occupy - maybe not.

 

This is not about abolishing education, it is about improving it. Private schools produce far more competent students than public schools do- in part, because they are able to make their own rules for discipline, learning standards and attendance. Public schools tolerate a very negative learning environment, private schools provide a very positive one.

It would be a matter of following the examples of success rather than failure- an overhaul of the way public schools operate and are administrated, from the ground up.

 

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Such a small number of people are actually racist its not fair to assign people the moniker without providing evidence. Even if it was true its near impossible to prove without derailing the thread its more effective to argue one's point without bringing it up.

The rest I largely agree with, companies don't care about education further then the end of what's needed to put money in their pockets. I would rather not be reliant on the private sector for something that my children need. Thankfully in MN at least, I can bus my kids to any school I can drive to, so they'll likely find a place in one of the 'burbs.

 

Wouldn't hold my breath. There are probably 50 candidates for ever seat in an Ivy. Phoenix is going broke.

 

The Ivies, like the NYT, will have to move most online within a generation to survive. The Phoenix model, if not Phoenix University, is the future. It will almost certainly be the model for education at every level in the near future.

 

Sure it will! Try to get a job with an online degree.

 

No, just what's being taught!!!!!!!!!

 

Don't believe everything you hear---or read for that matter.

Many conservatives (like me) want to abolish the US Dept of Education.

I believe ALL funding and control of K -12 schools should be in the hands of the people in the local communities.

They should raise the taxes, they should build and maintain the schools, they should hire the staff, they should control what is taught, and they should let their children rise or fall based on their their own actions.

 

I know many who have advanced with online degrees. In the future most degrees will be online degrees - even the Ivy degrees, or there will be no Ivies.

It is hard to fail with an Ivy degree, but I know many who have managed it. I suspect you do too.

 

I'm sure it's a false claim. I don't know of any organized Republican effort to abolish government schools. I don't know of any public statements by Republicans saying they want to abolish government schools.

 

I agree . . . mostly. I would be satisfied with state control. Let them set the parameters.

 

What if they are in a state ran by lunatics like California?

Think about the children!

 

There is nothing that forces you to put your child in a state school. There is private school and home schooling available.

 

I think you have a point about state control, but we are in a much more mobile society that requires a certain continuity across all the states. If kids were born, educated, employed, and eventually die in the same state, then what one state does wouldn't impact other states. However, we move around… a lot.

Case in point: In Hawaii, many public schools focus a large portion of the curriculum specifically to Hawaiian culture and history that isn't applicable to other states. When military kids move from Hawaiian schools back to the mainland, they often have a distinct disadvantage and are considered to be "behind" the mainland public schools. Then the new school is responsible for teaching what the new state requires, but also teaching skills the child from out of state missed, and that usually comes with a cost. Is it fair to expect the tax payers of the new state to fund remedial courses for students that move into their state? Isn't it more cost effective to have a national standard for most skills taught in K-12 schools?

 

only the religious nuts push this nonsense, religion can no longer support itself so republicans are hoping this will bail them out

""Vouchers can be used for Muslim Schools? OOPS!"'

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/7/6/1106793/--Vouchers-can-be-used-for-Muslim-Schools-OOPS

 

There is if you cant afford private school or have to work as a single parent and dont have time to home school. Besides that also takes money. Education is no longer a right its a duty.

 

"Isn't it more cost effective to have a national standard for most skills taught in K-12 schools? " Definitely, it is just unconstitutional.