Do Trump supporters have a breaking point?

They have yo change their plans when the government changes the rules. Some Drs then will not take that insurance . Thats how I lost mine. They can make more in private practice or clinics where they dont have to take so many medicaid/medicare patients
. So now you will blame the greedy Drs

 

First give me proof of that claim


Meanwhile

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance-f8C11484394

I want to see proof they wrote new policies after 2010 not grandfathered ones

 

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckra...macare-scare-tactics-to-sell-crappy-insurance

A story about companies selling non compliant policies.

http://housedocs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.pdf

SEC. 1251 42 U.S.C. 18011. PRESERVATION OF RIGHT TO MAINTAIN EXISTING COVERAGE. pg 55

SEC. 1302 42 U.S.C. 18022. ESSENTIAL HEALTH BENEFITS REQUIREMENTS. pg 64

 

don't worry, any changes going forward the right can blame on republicans after they touch it

 

If I read the following correctly:

https://www.healthcare.gov/health-care-law-protections/grandfathered-plans/

The answer is NO:

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Individual grandfathered plans

Individual grandfathered plans can’t newly enroll people after March 23, 2010, and have that new enrollment be considered a grandfathered policy. But insurance companies can continue to offer the grandfathered plans to people who were enrolled before that date.

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The grandfather plans had to in fact include many of the new ACA standards. My understanding is that Insurance companies could write new policies after 2010, but they would have to be fully ACA compliant. I can't find anything that suggests otherwise.

 

These are not real health care plans, which is why they're permitted by the ACA. From the article:

"They were not intended to be health insurance," Sabrina Corlette, a research professor at the Health Policy Institute at Georgetown University, told TPM, speaking about fixed benefit plans. "They were intended to be what are called income replacement policies. ... But over the years, these things have kind of morphed. And for many people, unfortunately, mainly because they come with a cheaper sticker price, they are marketed as and treated as health insurance. Even though the coverage is really crappy."

But nice try at the redirect.

 

Do you pay $10 elsewhere?

 

The consumer and the worker is the most ludicrous notion people ascribe to.

The consumer IS the worker.

The only people who benefited from free trade, as to America, was the very top.

There is no such thing as a "market value" that changes based upon anything other than supply and demand.

The only time I've ever seen distributors play with prices past market value, was the recession. As the consumer base shrunk, they all tried to raise their prices instead of lowering them. A phenomenon never brought up in history books, or articles after the fact. Not only that, but those who were technically viable, raised their prices with those trying to stay a float. So those people looked at their workers, told them they were broke, and made 300% profits compared to before the recession. 70% of those doing so to survive went under, and would have been better off moving into their garage and giving products away.

Matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see some prices come down based upon the new MO of proprietors.

If they all raised their prices because their customers were disappearing, than it stands to reason they'd bring them down as the middle class jobs came flooding back.

The reason why globalists are scratching their heads in every western nation is because they all rely on rules of thumb that simply don't exist anymore.

They've been wrong for 40 years, they were wrong today, they'll be wrong tomorrow, and they'll be wrong 40 years from now.

 

we actually do have a breaking point, so don't push it.
You do not want to see trump supporters mad,
we are not the liberal left that simply goes in the streets wearing (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) caps and shouting stupid slogans.

you won't like us angry

 

Trump Supporters have already hit their breaking point . It happened when Obama began his oath of office by breaking every word of that oath . It happened when Obama promised to wage jihad war on the American people with the immigration of many thousands of Muslim refugees into cities or states without their consent or knowledge .

Trump supporters hit their breaking point when Hillary promised to expand the Obama open borders to Muslim terrorists by the hundreds of thousands . We Trump supporters hit our breaking point while illegal immigrants were fighting over Los Angeles turf for their drug sales and their Auto theft industry .

We hit our breaking point while we ran our country bankrupt to give taxpayer funds to illegal immigrant families as welfare and school breakfast , lunch and dinner , free housing , school , and all the freeways we could build expand and give to illegal invasion in the tens of millions . It will only break the backs of every American if Trump does what democrats would have continued to do with open borders as promised by Hillary .

If you have not hit your breaking point there is a reason for that , you are an immigrant on welfare or you
want to see this nation destroyed economically , unconstitutionally and criminally and blood in our streets .

If our nation is so bad as many immigrants say ( Racism and deportations ) You are always free to go back to the nations you love and ran away from . ( Recommended ) .

WE HAVE HIT OUR BREAKING POINT .

 

Man you are thick. At least read what you copy.

 

I read everything. If you put lipstick and ear rings on a pig, it's still a pig. Wrapping slick marketed around slightly tweaked fixed indemnity insurance does not make it real heath insurance. Read and learn:

http://chirblog.org/update-on-fixed-indemnity-insurance-no-longer-an-aca-loophole/

Federal law (and most states) does not consider fixed indemnity insurance to be traditional medical insurance. That's why the ACA didn't consider these to be competing policies. Stop trying to claim these are real medical insurance plans not subject to ACA standards.

>>>MOD EDIT Flamebait removed<<<

 

I see one person got hoodwinked but by who. They were told the plan would be good for 3 years and the insurance companies were told these plans would be grandfathered. However the regulations written did not grand father them

 

Who is "the very top"?

 

The plans were sold as health insurance and were sold as being compliant. That, again, goes back to the insurance companies.

 

Jesus. '94 arguing tactics. Update your pamphlets.

Do me a favor, search who owns the stock markets and the Federal Reserve.

If you can find ANYTHING I'll buy you lunch for a week.

A person who doesn't know what globalists are either just crawled out of a cave or is on their team and lying.

 

How much profiteering is too much? Seriously. How much is Donald Trump allowed to use the White House to advance his family's economic interests before you scream “enough is enough”?



I think a president taking a foreign diplomat he is building positive relations with between his country and ours, and bringing that person to the president's private properties that are lavish and wealthy, is a good thing for the U.S. I see nothing wrong with a family member of the president wearing her own products while with him on official business. People can choose to buy whatever they want. Don't buy her products if you're offended. Buy them if you like it. Its simple.

Every news article has too much bias to take seriously. I know its a waste of breath to remind the writer of that article that Trump is not taking a salary as president, he is finding ways to cut the budget of White House including reducing the size of staff for the first lady they budget for, he already met with all top business leaders (including a women's only business leader meeting) to gather ideas of how he can grow the economy and grow businesses in order to grow jobs for the American people. He is a businessman and last I checked business is good for America. Let us not forget he is one of the worlds most successful and profitable businessmen BEFORE he ever decided to try to become president, he doesn't NEED the White House or his current position in order to profit or grow his family's personal wealth. I am sure if he was not president right now, he would be making more money personally. This article tries to throw separate things together to paint a picture of a corrupt self-serving profiting president. It's just not true. In fact if you stopped wasting your time reading too much in to these little small petty things and pay attention to all the things he IS doing overall, and how busy he has been, you will see he has done more and taken more action in first 3 weeks of presidency than any president perhaps ever has. If you stop to think about and learn all the deeper issues America has faces for years that he is addressing, there's a much bigger story of importance to what is going on with the presidency of Donald Trump.

Last comment, everyone needs to simmer down a little. We are three weeks into the presidency. We have at least 3 years 11 months more of his presidency. Forget his personal life and relations and business for a second and think about what changes he is going to bring about to our country and how it will impact our individual lives. That's what is really going to matter. Abraham Lincolns wife was crazy and that doesn't matter in history but what choices and actions he took for our country changed our path forever. This article was more of a smutty magazine gossip drama that I guess gets a good rise out of people. Let's remain focused on the real issues that matter.

 

The plans were being sold as non-complaint. I hope that's just a misprint on your part.

So again, it's always the insurance companies fault. It's their fault that individual plans were cancelled, even though it was the federal legislatures that were responsible to ensure individual plans remained intact per Obama's ACA promises. It's the fault the insurance companies that the consumer didn't to their own due diligence checking to understand that the medical insurance they were buying wasn't really medical insurance at all. I'll agree that this was a little shady, but people do have responsibility to perform their own due diligence. At least in conservative land.

But the main point here is that you forwarded these fixed indemnity plans as examples of non-compliant medical insurance. Penrod asked you to prove your assertion that non-ACA medical insurance was still being offered, and this was your answer. We know the truth, and this isn't it. I hope there is clarity now.

 

You&#8217;re the one who brought up &#8220;the very top&#8221;&#8230;I was under the impression you could identify who you were talking about.