Do you support another countries right to torture Americans?

Since I do think that an Italian who behave like a terrorist simply reject the principals on which our Republic is based, I do believe that an American who behaves as a terrorist simply reject the bases on which the United States have been created.

In other words, that individual is no more American. He's a common terrorist, so ...

 

Every nation has its traitors. Those who betray American values and adopt the vile practices of a depraved enemy by covertly torturing suspects certainly qualify.

Just the usual imaginary "leftists" over whom some obsess, or anyone in particular?

I am unaware of any American who indicated his "full support" of the torture of Americans in the Vietnam War, and would appreciate your having the patriotic, testicular fortitude to name names (without being your tortured.)

Unfortunately, there are some very slimy, hyper-partisans alienated from America who lie about such matters, so I'm sure you'll understand why documentation is essential.

 

I also have no problem with killing them if they are fighting. I do have a problem with torturing them though.

I also have a problem with the fact that torture doesnt produce desired results.

 

What do you think happens to the people we turn over to these countries? I'm sure worse than water boarding. This how Obama keeps his hands clean. Turning over people to be tortured and knowing this will happen.

 

This is where the nationalists will contradict themselves!

 

That's why we shouldn't complain when they torture our soldiers/civilians. Both sides are a part of the same hypocrisy.

 

I say we stop torturing these people ourselves and let other countries do it. Hand them over to any country willing to do what we can't. No limits. No one to answer to.
What?
That's what Obama is doing now. Good for him.

 

Only a moral relativist could even ask something like this. Because in order for this to make any kind of sense at all, you must first believe that right and wrong are completely subjective. Which will put you on the wrong side of justice by default since it will render you completely unable to determine when something is necessary and when it is malevolent.

This is what happens when you throw reason out the window in the name of absolute equality.

 

John McCain was tortured in Vietnam. He has come out against the torture report. However, terrorists are a different enemy than fighting a country. Torture could save innocent civilian lives including women and children.

 

Do you know that from the perspective of EU country the presence of capital punishment in US is a trouble?
For example we allow extradition to US in case the suspect is accused of a crime which is punished by capital punishment in your justice system [since we consider it a not human punishment].

The bases on which the United States had created are on a side made by principals, on the other side made by functional orientations which allow to the Republic to work properly.

Regarding tortures I have already expressed my opinion [I think that the psychological pressures and special treatments without lasting consequences are acceptable, in other words I think that special contexts require special actions]. It's simply about "legal room", if the operators using tortures have acted within legal limits, it's ok, if according to US laws they acted beyond legal limits ... there is nothing to discuss:

they have betrayed a basic principal of any democratic country: the principal of legality.

 

This is hyperbole, right? I've yet to hear someone say they support torturing Muslims to save lives, nor is it a blanket position as your statement suggests. It's something people generally reserve for unique situations for terrorists who are not protected by the Geneva Convention.

 

Indeed!

The United States persists in associating itself with the likes of China, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Somalia in leading the global community in the number of their citizens those governments kill in cold blood rather than joining the ever-growing community of ethically advanced nations that have abandoned the primitive practice in which some American states still indulge themselves.

It is an ongoing tragedy that befouls the reputation of the USA.

Torturing suspects imparts the same moral stigma: You are judged by the company you keep.

Whining that "It's okay when we do it!" as some self-excepting-prone relativists bluster is nonsense. The ethic of reciprocity pertains. Treating others as you would have them treat you is the basic principle of the legal covenant.

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"Well, aren't WE special!"​

Any State that embraces policies of killing and torturing people is wrong, and no amount of self-serving rationalizations alters that. (You can be sure that all that do have their defensive excuses in profusion.)

 

We don't complain. We just torture them back

 

Opinions are a matter, ideals are an other matter, philosophical principals are a further matters ... and so on ...

Our societies are based, first of all, on the so called "social contract" [the state wants you to respect the laws, and pay taxes!, and this is the side of the duties; you want the state to recognize you as a citizen with your proper rights and freedoms].

The "social contract" stands until the principal of legality is kept in its pure lay form.

A lot of persons in our democratic countries are against abortion, but in many of our countries abortion is legal. That's it: principal of legality. Until abortion is legal, we can consider it not ethical, unmoral, a murder ... but it's licit for the state under certain circumstances. So the citizens of that state, following the principal of legality they accepted "signing" the social contract [we have never signed it, clear!], have to accept, from a lay perspective, that abortion exists.

So, back to torture: what we have to expect from authorities now is a deep action of investigation and determination of clear legal reference in the treatment of prisoners also in the context of a special prison like Guantanamo.

Opinions [like mine in favor of psychological tortures, let's use that word] remain opinions and they are valid as opinions, but once stated the legality ... the legality wins.

 

lol, what bs...of course nobody says explicitly they support it, but a lot have so implicitly, or they made a semantic case out of it...and obviously torture wasn't reserved for "unique" situations as the report shows.
but u know these things anyway - just playing the mod-agitator?

 

I mean any country that wants to torture our citizens knock yourself out. But don't be surprised when 12 marines kick down your door and pull that person out leaving bodies of your citizens in their wake. The simple fact is America has the ability to project power just about anywhere in the world. If you wanna get nasty with us we can make you hurt bad.

Morally we should not conduct torture under any cirmustance what so ever. It is what should seperate us from other countries.

 

Good. All Americans need to remember that when we see veterans who've been tortured and left with scars, both physically and emotionally and tell them they shouldn't complain since we do the same thing to our enemies. It's all part of warfare and terrorism.

 

You live in a Marvel comics fantasy world...how many hostages have we kicked the door in and saved from beheadings...and for the love of God, please don't say beheadings are not torture.

If we can not save hostages from beheadings...how are we going to do better for torture???

 

Torture is a part of war. Never tell a veteran not to complain. It's not their fault they were tortured. They can still complain all they want. What a crazy thing to say. My point is, torture is and always will be something that happens in war. No matter what.

 

Are you serious?

Eritia 1998-Us Navy seals rescued a bunch of civilians
Jessica Lynch plus eight others 2003- Supply Clerk and 8 soldiers rescued in Iraq
Captain Richard Phillips 2009- Rescued Captain Phillips and crew from Somalia Pirates
Somolia Rescue 2011- Two Civilians rescued from Somalia Pirates.

Those are just the famous ones. So there is no fantasy land its reality.

 

Nanoo nanoo.

 

The OP is promoting terrorism, or at least alluding to it.

The USA is what is keeping the world from imploding. Those Terrorist Scumbags who challenge the USA by torturing US citizens (or Israeli citizens) will pay the ultimate price.

 

And you promote Murder. Or at least allude to it.

See? Two can play at that game.

 

Killing IslamoTerrorists is not murder. It is common sense!!

We in Israel, defend ourselves from IslamoTerrorists by applying a bullet between their eyes or a bomb on their house. We support all those fighting Muslim Terrorists to do likewise, including our closest ally the USA.

God bless all those fighting IslamoNazism. IslamoNazism is a cancer which will be exterminated.

We have no dispute with peaceful Muslims who recognize Israel.