Documentary tonight: Breaking Hate.

The New York Times are well known haters and have been for a very long time.

They love to lecture and point fingers at everyone else, but NOW THESE JOURNALISTS ARE HAVING A MELTDOWN OVER JOURNALISM BEING DONE TO THEM

 

There are countries on this planet that qualify as “sh-tholes”. It has nothing to do with race. It’s based on living conditions, quality of life, etc.

 

I had already written the explanation with references. There is no need to repeat what I had already written. You asked, I answered. If the reason you asked was that you were actually interested, then you read it and look at the reference included. If you are just trolling, then you don't. Up to you. It makes no difference to me....

 

Great! That's all I needed. Because the discussion was not about Byrd,. it was about Hillary.

 

I agree with the first part. But the second part ignores practically all domestic terrorist attacks this year. Not to mention our President's own affinities.

 

What the hell does that have to do with the people coming to this country? Trump is not criticizing the countries. He's qualifying the people from those countries. Pure racism!

 

Then you did not need to bring up Byrd to start with.

 

Accusing other of trolling... from you it's quite funny.

 

I didn't!!!! The poster I responded to did. God! How clueless can you be?

 

The people coming from those countries are almost always poorly educated, etc. Not the cream of the crop. Again, it doesn't matter if they're black, brown, white, or green.

 

Well, perhaps I didn't make myself clear. Let me try again. My argument was:

German university students were largely right-wing. (Yes, there was a Marxist presence on some campuses, but it was small.) During the 1920s.most of them were not Nazis -- who were National Socalists after all -- but were members of various rightwing German nationalist groups. The Nazis finally succeed in taking power -- democratically, in the sense that they had the support of many students -- in the German student union, a year and a half before Hitler took power in the state. You can find a very full discussion of this history here, in Geoffrey Giles' book Students and National Socialism in Germany It was his PhD thesis and is a bit tedious to get through, but the facts are clear. So -- college students may be left-inclined in America at the moment, especially at the elite universities, but we must not generalize to other countrie and other historical periods.

Now, you say that in Germany "there was more support for communism among the educated" than for Hitler. I don't believe that this was true, if by "the educated" you mean university graduates. Certainly there were a few intellectuals who were KPD supporters, and also some who were pro-Nazi or who became Nazis after Hitler took power -- Heidegger and Schmidt are the most notorious examples -- but I think you will find that the university graduate sector supported the 'bourgois center' and Catholic parties. Of course this changed later when Hitler had consolidated power. And even among intellectuals who were Marxists/socialists, many supported the SPD rather than the KPD.

You are on sounder ground when talking about European intellectuals in general, especially in France. Six European intellectuals who effectively betrayed their calling are explored in Mark Lilla's The Reckless Mind -- Intellectuals in Politics and these six may be taken as typical of the breed. For a deeper look at the intellectuals who supported communism, we must consult David Caute's The Fellow-Travellers: Intellectual Friends of Communism

But you seem to be saying that, if you supported book-burning, you were not educated, despite having graduated form university. This is an example of the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy. "Scotsmen don't commit rape! " "But what about ..[names of Scottish rapists here]?" "Well, no true Scotsman commits rape!"

And you use the same method in talking about the US: college students who support book-burning are not educated by definition. Don't you see what's wrong with this argument? It's like saying, 'No woman can understand mathematics', and when counter-examples are presented, then saying 'No true woman can understand matheamtics'.

As for Nazis and Communists both 'being' socialists. This is an old source of confusion, and is a pointless argument. I strongly urge you, and anyone reading this, to read the key ideas of Alfred Korzybski, and how intellectual confusion can often be avoided by not using the 'to be' verb. I don't want to go into this in detail here, but I have found it very helpful in thinking about a lot of things.

Now, as for my ignorance of universities ... I'm a graduate of an American university, and taught in three different universities in Britain for thirty years. I would have thought that the illiberal trend -- 'safe spaces', no platforming, the attacks on people like Charles Murray, 'speech codes' -- were well known to every political person. It's a growing trend, and is yet another example of the approaching end of the American Republic.

For a systematic survey of what's happening on American campuses, see the website of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, F.I.R.E. The Wiki article on them is here and their website is here. For further information, see the National Association of Scholars (Full disclosure: I'm a member.)

Everything in red is clickable. Titles of books take you to the Amazon page for them.

 

There's nothing educational about MSNBC.

 

More BS!

 

You said

And I pointed out that his influence lasted beyond when Hilary was born. Which was true.

 

Love watching documentaries and I will watch this one. But unlike some I do not let them do my thinking for me.

His recent tweets were not racist and that is established fact you have been schooled on

 

Trump included El Salvador and Dominican Republic among those countries.

The literacy rate (basic level and above) in El Salvador is 88.48%
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SLV/el-salvador/literacy-rate?q=us+literacy+

Dominican Republic, 93.78%

Ours is 81%
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ight-the-adult-literacy-crisis/?noredirect=on

So, just like Trump did, you make a racist assumption.

 

This shows me all of their uneducated have moved here.

We need merit-based immigration now.

 

Wait.... you're actually doubling down on your claim that educated people in Germany favored Hitler's white supremacist cause and book-burning? And you do this by citing books .... on Amazon? No quotes, no data.... just books they sell on Amazon.

Of course no educated person tolerates book-burning. First of all, because any intellectual knows how book-burning inspired by fanaticism. destroyed much of human intellectual legacy. An educated person understands the importance of books. Today, we have books on CDs and which are copied with a click of the mouse. But anybody in the early 20th century who didn't understand the value of books was most definitely not educated. At the time, books were very valuable items. It made no difference if you agreed with its contents or not. Also because that's how universities work: they provide confronting views, and the student is taught critical thinking. The idea that intellectuals would be fine with book burning is ludicrous.

But, to the bottom point. Most educated people were conservative. But not white supremacists. "Racial awareness" was introduced into the education system when Hitler came to power. There were many Jewish teachers at all levels of education. All jewish teachers were fired in 1933 from all universities and schools. As were all teachers who did not support the Nazi Party. Forcing those who stayed to say they supported the Nazi Party or lose their jobs. Before that, students learned from these teachers without a problem.

So your premise that people who were conservative were all Nazis is absolutely inaccurate.

This article is what you needed to quote, instead of the books from Amazon

https://spartacus-educational.com/GEReducation.htm

 

You mean the only mass shootings the media bothered to report on. They have to make sure everyone hast the right skin color and agenda before they report anything. And saying trump is anything remotely like a nazi is retarded. His views are pretty much the opposite of what nazis believed. This sounds more like the liberal reflex of “so and so doesn’t share my point of view. So and so must be a nazi!”

 

Many nazis were highly educated. I’m not sure where you get the idea that they were not from. Education does not wipe out evil.

 

I suppose we could start with the Russia collusion narrative, which even Robert Mueller couldn't find evidence of. This from a liberal reporter named Glenn Greenwald, who exposes MSNBC's duplicity on the matter; what they did, and why they did it.

 

What it shows is that the immigrants from these countries have a better chance of increasing our literacy rate than diminishing it.

In any case, why does that make any difference? The belief that illiterate people have less rights than literate people is pure racism.

We can seek immigrants to enhance our society, as needed. But that shouldn't diminish the opportunities of others.

 

No! I'm talking about what FBI Director Christopher Wray reported to Congress.

Please try to keep up.

 

Of course. Because otherwise they wouldn't get a job. You didn't read the post you're responding to.

Education does not wipe out evil. But it helps wipe out the ignorance necessary to voluntarily join one of these movements.

 

Wait! You want to prove that MSNBC has lied by posting a clip from Fox?? And Tucker Carlson, no less????

That is really hilarious!!!

Not to mention that you have proven my point.