Does a decline in religion/spiritualy, mirror a declining moral state?

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  1. dairyair

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    WTF does gender have to do with morals?
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    LOL, selective? You brought up 1, gender. Which as Natta to do with morals.
     
  3. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Knowledge is non sense to you. Denial in fact. Interesting.
     
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  4. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Science tells us there are two genders. Have a penis? You are a male. Have a vagina? You are female.
    It really is that simple.
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    See post #29 please.
     
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    The question rests on a false premise.
    You left out the religious test clause and the first amendment.
    Really? You'd have us believe that if only Stalin had never encountered that idea, he'd never have gone bad?

    Really??
    Which might be interesting if religion were necessary to reach that conclusion - assuming the ability to realize self-evident truths doesn't count as religion.
     
  7. WillReadmore

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    Post #29 is false.

    It's certainly the common case, but it is not even close to the variety of morphology, genetics and psychology.

    I asked you to cite something that you believe to be false.

    I haven't seen that.
     
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    *sighs heavily*

    Science (real science) to wit: Biology an actual branch of science, says there are male and female and the rare hermaphrodite. So "3" at most.
     
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    Trump style Christians degrade morals in society imo

    heck not only do we have Christian Presidents accused of Sexual abuse, but also Preachers, maybe if there was more religion in the church that would solve it?
     
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    Not sure, as a non church goer, hard for me to answer.
     
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    If you base your morals on your religion, then yes, as your religion declines, less people are going to follow the morals of your religion. Does it mean all morals are declining? No, just the ones you prescribe to.
     
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    It's all about the foundation, because if the foundation is only yourself alone, then you can do whatever you like, even immoral things.
     
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    do you think people not going to church are less moral.... I do not
     
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    kinda, if your rich and have a following like Trump you seem to be able to do immoral things too...

    often groups can do much more immoral things then they would do if on their own

    especially if the leader of that group demoralizes another group to his followers

    Hitler demonized Jews to Christians to accomplish his evil
     
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    Yup, they call it self interest and the aspiration to become notably powerful and rich and of course non the less being famous,
    which is simply quashed by that so called humility by the Christians.
     
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    Evangelicals voted for Trump... How moral is that?
     
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    It depends.
    Take the 1940's and 50's. A time romanced as "the golden years of morality". Was it?
    Intolerance was what it really was. You're white, go to church..husband wears a fedora, wife wears dresses in public... you are A-OK!
    Anything else...well... you are shunned from "normal" society. Forced to live in poverty, hated, ignored at best...beat or killed at worst.

    Today, we have a much higher degree of acceptance of people who don't fit the cookie cutter.
    So in that sense today is actually MORE moralistic.
    However that is not to say there are not serious issues today. Selfishness being the primary problem IMO. And selfish behavior is primer for all manner of immorality/amorality.
     
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    Yes. The correlation with the decline exactly parallels the corruption of society.
    Morality >> relativity.
    Human dignity >> animal instinct
    Natural Law >> jungle law
    Tolerance >> mandated conformity
    Freedom of conscience >> state Indoctrination
    Open inquiry >> memorized dogma

    Greed, corruption, crime, and unchecked human aggression is unloosed upon a culture that abandons its values and roots. All that is left is lawless relativity, where might makes right, and the strongest survive.

    This lesson can be followed in the repetition of history.
     
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    That would be sexes. Gender is only related to sexes, but not exclusive to any sex.
     
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    That's an ancient view derived by superficial analysis of external organs only.
     
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    Natural law IS "jungle law".
    Mandated conformity is exemplified by religion.
    Religion IS indoctrination.
    Religion IS memorized dogma, with opposition to open inquiry.

    America was founded on the escape from state religion, mandated conformity.


    You've got it exactly backwards.
     
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    Sorry that's accepted science called "biology". The rest is just mentally ill junk "science".
     
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    Junk science.
    68 genders cant reproduce. "Normies" of opposite sex/genders can.
     
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    Hypocrites voted for the wife of a known rapist who smeared her Husbands victims and allowed a child molester to escape justice as she implied the 12 YO was at fault.

    WTH is the @webelivesurvivors in that?
     
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    Morality is subjective, particularly so where religion comes into play. Christianity has been "Adaptive" and especially so as humanity becomes technological and science based, somewhat out of necessity. Morals/Ethics are extremely fluid in this religion as very clearly noted in the last few years by the twisting required to support this President as he is likely the least "Moral" individual in public life but HEAVILY church supported (even though he does not go). Religion and morality are no longer considered related by those outside of the bubble and if anything Christianity in practice is now an immoral force in aspects of society. As the Republican party leans subtly toward the church while simultaneously walking away from its traditional "Family Values" morality position and the Dems use liberalism to pick of the slack societally, morality is no longer black and white.

    Basically religion has little to do with Morality anymore.
     

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