Does anyone actually have evidence?

I stand by my comment, the Senate is complicit and to that extent, corrupt. No evidence was allowed, all subpoenas were refused, en masse, before the fact, no trial was allowed.

That's a corrupt Senate. To say otherwise, is partisan.

 

Another Hunter Biden Sex and Cocaine tape segment is released

 

*yawn*

 

What are you talking about - "Evidence" - Could have multiple video's of Biden shagging Dolly Parton and you would cry foul.

No experience in the industry - no shares in the company that he purchased with his own money - and magically .. a multi million dollar seat on some Board of Directors .. Standard "Pay to Play" operation in Washington .. part of the SOP.- and this is no secret to anyone.

Takes awhile sometimes for this reality to set in but - you will get over it - broken Rose colored glasses perhaps .. but we get you some new - more transparent ones.

 

I'll keep that in mind to not vote for hunter in the next election.

 

Yeah, right.

 

I guess it helps when the boss wants to **** you.

 

I get the Ivanka Fetish .. kind of have one myself .. but what does this have to do with dear Hunter - and our lovely Pay to Play system - and Hunter Biden's partaking in the Goose that Doth lay Golden Eggs ? hmmmm

Speaking of Ivanka though .. since you don't want to discuss the left wing playboy - Isn't she something .. quite the Stair Climber that one.

May I announce .. for the next President of the USA - (not this election but next) - Trump 2 !!

You on board for the ride ?

 

There is no evidence of any kind of "pay to play" with Hunter. At least none that has been provided. Yes, Ivanka is something. I wouldn't want to **** her if she were my daughter, though. As for her being President, I have better reason to believe that she's had corrupt business practices than Hunter has (see Trump SoHo), so I'll take a pass.

 

I gave you the evidence - the evidence is public knowledge - how much Hunter was paid for doing diddly squat is the evicence. There is nothing illegal about this - it is how our Pay to Play system works.. Everyone is on the Gravy Train -and we know how it works .. if you do your time - and don't buck the Establishment .. you get paid .. be it a cushy lobbyist position .. a seat on some Board of Directors .. a 65 million dollar book deal..

Hilly was not getting 250K a pop for 15 min talk at wall street banker function for her good looks and charming personality - Its for a job well done mate. its how our system works .. throughout the high levels of the Bureaucracy ..

Washington is famous for this - not a secret .. you are getting into denial that water is wet land... so lets back to Ivanka

Corruption is a pre-requisite for obtaining the hallowed halls .. our leaders are "Selected" not "Elected" . you don't get on the list - never mind anywhere near the top without being properly vetted.

If MSNBC/CNN doesn't like you on the left .. forget it .. Same with Fox for a right wing Candidate. Sad what they did to poor Tulsi.

Ivanka though - she is a stair climber that one .. in bed with the most influential of Establishment Big Money interests .. the "Right Club"

But hey .. its the same club that butters Biden's bread .. so what difference does it make...

 

No, you really didn't. I keep asking. No one has provided.

Yes, now that you have provided no evidence, let's get back to Ivanka.

Unlike with Hunter, I see evidence of outright business corruption from Ivanka. She lied to investors in order to secure funding.

 

I gave the Evidence .. that he was given a BOD position is the Evidence .. What part of - "That is how pay to play works" .. is not sinking in

Sold their Soul for Rock and Roll .. Presidents are "Selected" not "Elected"

 

Getting a position is not evidence of "pay to play." I guess the concept of actual evidence "is not sinking in."

 

Of of course it is ... whether we can prove a crime was committed is another matter .. and since this is not a crime in our pay to play system.. good luck.

The Idea that Hunter was randomly selected for the position is preposterous nonsense on steroids.

 

What it has to do with is this:

If yuo were really concerned about corruption, you would not be supporting Trump.

If you are supporting Trump, then you really don't care about corruption, as he is
the most corrupt president in history. So all this attention on Hunter is just partisanship.

 

Plus, the EU and other critics were claiming Shokin was dragging his feet and not aggressive enough in investigating corruption. So they want us to believe that Biden fired Shokin because he was dragging his feet and not aggressive enough, going with investigation the corruption of his son's former employer and his business associates?? As if Biden wanted a prosecutor who would really dig into his son's and Zlochevsky finances for possible embezzlement and money laundering. I don't buy it.

 

Come on - this is a black vs white paradigm you are putting forth .. and I can .. and do say the same thing about Biden. So we are left with a choice between 2 evils.

You believe one side is much much worse - and would have agreed with you for much of my life. Dislike Reagan and Both Bush's - Goblins. and have the Forum Track Record to prove it normally starting out posts with "Rotten Ronnie" or some other perjurative.

Oh .. and more I dislike - also having the PF track record to prove it -- Heir Trumpenstein - difference between you and me on this is only that my supporting arguments are much better - than yours.

But you are right - a vote for Trump is a vote for Corruption - most in history - we will never know - as most never get caught - in their dirty deeds. Most dirty deeds never get outed for what they are - as they are accepted in our Pay to Play system - such as being gifted a seat on the Board of directors of some company.. most of the Boards of the top Fortune 100 - are muchly influenced by "SugarDaddy" - and friends of SugarDaddy - of which he has many.

so why on earth would I go to the dark side in this cycle ? - the decision partially based on corruption - but this happens on both sides in our pay to play system. Would you be the one to shoot the goose laying the golden eggs ? run against a herd of stampeding bulls ? .

Sure you have a lone voice from time to time - calling out nefarious practices -- Price fixing for example .. what's not to like about paying 10 times ore for some generic drug -than that the more free market provides in other nations.

Everyone points to that lone voice and says "Look Look - Free Speech - what a good system we have". That lone voice then gets quickly drowned out by the cacophony on the take - who love them golden eggs - and nothing ever changes - the status quo maintained.

It is not just "the President" or the political class .. it permeates down through the bureaucratic elites who follow the same playbook .. same rules. .. Ex Generals - who are now in the employ of some Lobby - appearing on CNN/FOX - touting war as if this is not a conflict of interest.

But Sugar Daddy owns the media as well .. so its all good in the hood.

Blue has fallen off the Turnip Truck - gone way far to the extreme left - farther than right with respect to moving towards totalitarianism - but step in step with Red on this one. I keep telling folks - look not to where Red and Blue disagree - but to where they agree .. and that is where the devil is found - and some listen

Blue is now - Openly - the party of the Neocon - Tulsi and others being demonized and ostracized
the anti free speech party - anti freedom of the Press and freedom of information - anti essential liberty in general - sans a few pets such as Abortion - again where my arguments are much better than yours - for a woman's right to choose.

None of the above however is the main reason I support Red in this round. The straw that broke this Camel's back was that Blue is now the Anti Environment Party - "We are the party of Science" - no more. Gone so far off the ranch - so far to the left extreme - that Michael Moore is now flaming Red by comparison - demonized horrendously for speaking the Truth.. ahhh .. but that is the new PC culture - demonize the truth if it does not fit agenda .. Right out of the Red Playbook.

So yeah .. Environment is why I am supporting Red this go Round - "Save the Planet" - that kind of thing.

 

NBC is reporting the origin story on this Biden stuff was generated by a non-existent security firm and disseminated through the rightwing blogosphere and media to seed the conspiracy for the purported October “surprise”. The “discovery” of the laptop.

 

It was official US policy. Ron Johnson himself signed a letter in 2016 calling for the prosecutor's removal. Shokin resigned four days later. Funny how Johnson has changed his tune under Trump.

Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general's office

(CNN)A newly unearthed letter from 2016 shows that Republican senators pushed for reforms to Ukraine's prosecutor general's office and judiciary, echoing calls then-Vice President Joe Biden made at the time.

CNN's KFile found a February 2016 bipartisan letter signed by several Republican senators that urged then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to "press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General's office and judiciary."

The letter shows that addressing corruption in Ukraine's Prosecutor General's office had bipartisan support in the US and further undercuts a baseless attack made by President Donald Trump and his allies that Biden pressured the Ukrainian government to fire then Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin to stop investigations into a Ukrainian natural gas company that his son, Hunter Biden, sat on the board of. There is no evidence of wrongdoing by either Joe or Hunter Biden, nor is it clear whether Hunter was under investigation at all.

Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption

Washington, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senators Rob Portman (R-Ohio) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), co-chairs of the bipartisan Senate Ukraine Caucus, and Senator Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH), Ranking Member of the Subcommittee on European Affairs spearheaded a letter expressing concern to Ukrainian President Poroshenko regarding the recent resignation of Minister of Economy Aivaras Abromavi?ius, who has alleged that corruption remains a dire challenge within the Ukrainian political system. In the letter, Portman, Durbin, and Shaheen said they recognized the challenges facing the Ukrainian government two years after the Maidan brought positive change to Ukraine. They also reaffirmed their commitment to help President Poroshenko confront the duel threat posed by Russian aggression in Ukraine as well as entrenched corruption in the government and to create a transparent and democratic government. The letter was also signed by Senators Ron Johnson (R-WI), Chris Murphy (D-CT), Mark Kirk (R-IL), Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), and Sherrod Brown (D-OH).

From letter:

...We similarly urge you to press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General's office and judiciary.

I guess we can assume Ron Johnson's kids were being investigated by Shokin as well.

 

Trump just got through trying to cliam that his rape case should be defended not by himself but by his own personal DoJ on the grounds that it was an act of government!!

And, that's not a figment of the combined BS frrom Fox and Barr - it's for real.

 

Did you read the letter? No where do they say fire Shokin, all they say is what we already knew, that Ukraine's government suffers from "endemic corruption."

 

You need to read the whole post.

...We similarly urge you to press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General's office and judiciary.

 

You are dating yourself. 'Evidence' is sooo yesterday. You might as well look for the bow tie counter in Walmart.

 

So the laptop was a plant? Hunters signature was a forgery? The correspondence it contained was all made up? ......even though it could be verified by recients?
I'd say you and the "Big Guy" have a lot os "splaining to do!

 

The funny thing is if there had been any genuine evidence on the original document so many slimy Trump-complicit paws have finger-printed it that you couldn't separate the chaff from the weed. I'm even beginning to doubt the veracity of some of the grainy, blurry, censored photographs. What....poor multi-millionaire Hunter can't afford a decent smartphone?

I think this whole debacle is a metaphor for the Trump administration. Clumsy bumbling nitwits lacking in self-restraint that couldn't preserve a decent piece of evidence if their hides depended on it let alone fabricate a forgery that anyone with an IQ over 80 wouldn't spot. Even the klutzakoff Russians could have fabricated a more convincing hoax.