Does Jesus rank on the list of worst torturers of all time?

The candidates for this list of worst mass-torturers of all time:
Vlad the Impaler (helped the Christian Crusades)
Saddam Hussein
Torquemada - Spanish Inquisition (Christian)
Jesus
Kim Jong-un
Stalin


The list includes all of the victim’s existence (this life and the supposed “after-life”.)

To make our list, a torturer has to advocate the most unspeakable sadistic crimes against humanity, such as impaling them on sticks, or sending them to a “lake of fire” where the victim’s flesh is sadistically burned off and then regrown over and over.

Three of the mass-torturers on this list were great admirers of two of the other people on this list. Saddam Hussein greatly admired Stalin, and not surprising, Christians Vlad the Impaler and Torquemada where followers of the #1 mass-torturer on this list.

Many of the worst torturers of all time torture so many many people that they do not have the time to do the torture personally, themselves. So they “sub-it out”, to creations of their own, such as their brutal secret police, or their sadistic concentration camp guards, or to their sadistic creation called “Satan”, etc. Them allowing these vicious entities to exist in the first place might be their greatest crime.

One thing all the worst mass-torturers of all time have in common is that they torture innocent people because those people don’t think like the torturer does. So this intolerance (and brutality) of course means that they should not be role models.

Almost as bad as the horrific torture itself, is the fact that many mass torturers often incredibly claim to be “all-loving”, and “all-caring”, and a “prince of peace”, etc.. They believed in “The Big Lie” concept, which can be pretty effective at generating followers.

Here’s the final ranking, based on the estimated number of people who have or will be tortured, and how savage they are to their victims.

1. Jesus (70 billion – the total number of non-Christians in world history – at least a thousand times more than all the other torturers on this list combined)
2. Stalin (millions)
3. Kim Jong-un (millions)
4. Saddam Hussein (hundreds of thousands)
5. Vlad the Impaler (tens of thousands) – a follower of the #1 person on this list.
6. Torquemada (thousands) – a follower of the #1 person on this list.


Question: would you rank the worst torturers of all time any differently than this?

 

Jesus didn't torture anyone.

Men tortured other men in "his name".

You want to put together a comparative list then compare the sins of Christianity to those of other ideologies, not of individuals.

Big Fail.

 

So when I, as a Modern Secular Humanist die, according to the book about Jesus what happens to me? TORTURE, that's what! A "lake of fire", no less. Set up by the sadistic Jesus/God, who also created "Satan" (the Bible says). I included this phrase in the OP "The list includes all of the victim’s existence (this life and the supposed “after-life”.)"

If the "after-life" is real, then Jesus seeing that I'm tortured in said "after-life" would need to be considered in the ranking. Jesus is firmly holding on to the #1 position in the ranking, as the worst mass-torturer that will ever live. Read Revelation if you don't believe me.

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Do you think it's fair that I get tossed into a "lake of fire", or is Jesus one sick SOB? Which is it?

 

So you as a secular humanist believe in after life fairy tales?

there is no comparison between the imagined torture of some god and actual real live humans torturing humans.

Feel free to offer up more false comparisons in sneering attempt to denigrate those that believe in their gods just because you don't. Personally I save my sneering denigrations for the intransigently ignorant.

 

Everyone gets what he deserves in the end.

 

With all "do" respect, sir, where am I wrong? I await your reply. Because by your lack of a rebuttal I'm thinking that you are just mad at Jesus for not giving you the ammo to answer this question very well. But you could prove me wrong (I've been wrong before.)
Remember, a Modern Secular Humanist answers with science, consistency, and common sense, while a religious person answers with superstition, inconsistency, and a lack of common sense.
Have a great day.

 

So does atheist Ben Franklin, even though he made one of the biggest discoveries of all time (that helps us on this forum to this very day!), thereby helping humanity than any of us forum members combined probably, DESERVE eternal torture, Goomba, or does he deserve a great, special place in the "afterlife" (like a Modern Secular Humanist would honor him with, if there's an "afterlife")? We await your reply, my friend.
Keep in mind with your reply, that a goal of ours should be to be as kind and compassionate as we can be.

 

Good point. Ideally I'd preface all my references to an "after-life" with "in the supposed after-life....."

What do you mean there is no comparison? Can we agree that we should hold Jesus and Pals to a higher standard than we hold humans like Saddam and Torquemada? Your reply?

 

Note: one may or may not believe the OP's point is true, and they are entitled to their opinion. But please do realize that if, repeat if, the OP's point is indeed basically true, that the OP would be showing that Jesus is arguably the worst person to have ever lived. Or is that conclusion, that Jesus is the worst person ever (ASSUMING the OP's point is true - which it may not be), wrong? Please let us know, as unlike Jesus, MSH values your input.
Thanks.

 

They can't ever even tickle the very edges of this idea, FS, they're far too terrified of Yaz. I have elderly in law who gets red in the face and jittery when anyone (even a christian) in her orbit tells a very gentle, christian friendly god joke (and yes, there are plenty ). I mean the dear women suffers true terror. It's awful.

 

depends, do you believe God = Jesus = God?


it's said when he comes again he will be much different ....

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 19:11-16&version=KJV

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

 

Usually when one says "With all due respect..." what follows is anything but respectful. Just saying.

 

Even those who don't realise the expression includes the word "due".

 

Doesn't depend on any god. Men tortured men in Jesus name, but Jesus sure didn't torture anyone. As for going to hell being torture, I'll wait for evidence of its existence before "passing judgment".

 

Again, It ain't Jesus hisownself.

It is men INTERPRETING scripture to justify their own actions. Ideology has consistently been twisted to human desires throughout history.

Its not Allah or Mohammed that is terrorizing people around the world. It is men who bend their interpretation of scripture, to their suit their own vision.

 

I see you are still in need of a 'heart transplant,' and unforgiveness is slow suicide......

 

I feel for her, as I used to be in that position.
A JOKE about god....how is that possible!?

Yes, Jesus being the worst person in history would of course mean that he's not "all-loving", and "all-caring", as advertised, so of course that would mean that the Bible lied, and of course that would mean having to face the thought of their own eventual death with courage and honor, instead of with superstition and fear.
More and more people are summoning that intellectual courage, however, so I do have hope.

 

Jesus/Mohammad didn't respect non-believers (they feel it's ok to treat them, for 99.999999%+ of their total "existence", with horrific torture - not unlike a Nazi concentration camp guard felt about the Jews he tortures), so let's not expect much respect to come from their followers, either. But hopefully their followers can use them less and less as role models, and the world will be a better place for it.
Peace.

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Thanks for always being such a breath of....

 

Richard Dawkins sounds many magnitudes less violent than this "Jesus" fellow. Wow.

 

I am more loving than the torturer from Nazareth, and I bet you are too, OverDrive.

Speaking of "forgiving", would you, if you had Jesus' mutant super-powers, FORGIVE Gandhi and Ben Franklin for not buying into Jesus' magic tricks and being non-Christians, thereby sparing them torture worse than Saddam ever dreamed about for his worst Shiite enemy? I would, and I KNOW crank would (she's at least as moral as I am).....what about you? How forgiving are you towards someone who makes an honest mistake, OverDrive? Forgiveness is a part of Modern Secular Humanism, but not the Bible, arguably.

PS your avatar is the "baddest" vehicle I've ever dreamed of driving ("bad" is good, of course.)

 

how consistent is it, as a secular humanist, to deny the presence of Christ and heaven AND Hell, and then turn around and condemn Christ - not even God the Father - for Hell?

 

Yes it is Jesus, as the "all-powerful", "all-knowing" answerer of prayers of course would have the ability to change the scheme of "hell" by simply snapping his "all-powerful" fingers. But he's not even as moral as Vlad the Impaler (effectively, that is) apparently, since he apparently refuses to do that. When the Bible changes, then I'll believe that. Until then, Jesus is the worst person who will ever live (as FreshAir's great quotes show, from Revelation.)

 

Of course I'm assuming that all that does exist, for argument's sake only. I try to insert the word "supposed" in front of claims about Jesus being real, but of course I usually forget - me being such an innate "sinner" and all. I don't believe in fairy tales (not since I was 4 years old or so) since I've discovered how consistent science is, so of course I don't believe in "Jesus" etc. any more than I believe in "Frodo", or "Gandalf", etc. Common sense dictates that I don't.

How would YOU rank the list in the OP, my man?

 

Evidence....I admire that.

Can we at least agree that the DESCRIPTION in the Bible of "hell" (no, it may not exist!) would be a place of brutal torture, torture, and more torture, and that the designer of said scheme would be the world's worst torturer, if and only if it were true? Can we? If you CAN'T, then either you haven't read the Bible, or you are in denial, I'd argue, but I'll await your reply.

 

I can make a very convincing argument that Jesus has no business being in that group. I don't recall reading the scripture that shows Jesus throwing anyone into an eternal lake of fire, to torture them forever and ever and ever. I have read scriptures in where he mentions it, but when I read it I don't take it literally. It's symbolism, allegory, that is pointing to a different non literal understanding. If you understand what JC actually was, and what he was talking about, that is an insight in how to read his words.

This is a favorite topic for you, religion, Christ, and so on. But you are arguing about a JC that is a fundamentalist interpretation of who he was, and what he was talking about. He was talking about Timeless things, and used a way of speaking that was of that culture, and to many uneducated people. And I wouldn't doubt that the people of those days, naturally looked for deeper meanings in stories, in literature. Afterall, they were as intelligent as we are, just had different knowledge stored in memory, but their thinking processes were as good as yours.

But if your intent is just to show how silly the fundamentalist image is of JC, then never mind. For I agree with you here, the absurdity involved. I have I guess what could be called a mystical interpretation of what JC said. Closer to Gnosticism, although I do not accept some of what they said.

The fundamentalist image of JC is what sent me away from it. It's too infantile, too much like a bedtime story, and the Creator of the Universe cannot possible be like their images and beliefs. Magic Blood, give me a break. Superstition.