Does Religious Freedom Supercede Gender Identity?

Gender is not innate. It is fluid and can change at the persons whim on how they feel that day. Hence gender fluid.

 

So if I'm a Jew, it's alright for the law to force me not to do business on a Sunday because that is the Christian Sabbath, but not to force Christian to not do business from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath? That is a direct violation of the intent of the 1st, wherein one's religious ideals should not be forced upon another. As a Christian, it would be a violation of your rights to force you to do business on a Sunday, but not a violation of your rights for me to do business on a Sunday

While that may be your argument, you would be dishonest to say that religion wasn't the majority argument against SSM.

 

That’s correct. It is and should be legal for STATE law. Not federal. Does the first amendment or does it not explicitly refer to congress and what congress can and can’t do.

As for SSM I would agree lots of people did use religious grounds but they had an argument. Why should they be forced to subsidize your sinful behavior? It violates their religious faith to do so. Homosexuals were not being denied the right to marry, they were being denied legal recognition of their marriage. There is a difference.

 

Those are assumptions. Even in a changing room, you can't see the chromosomes or genes, and thus you don't know if you are looking at an exception. And as far as that goes, since we have no studies that look at the frequency of exceptions that exist with no further medical issues arising, we don't know the actual rates. Could be XX individuals with the SRY gene, XY individuals without it, and chimeras hold a frequency comparable to left-handedness.

And as one who is active among the transgender community, passable is way more frequent than you realize. Think about this, you would pass dozens, even hundreds of passable trans, and never know it and assume they were cis.

 

But like I said we do not live our lives based upon the exception to the rule. There are exceptions to every rule. I’m sure there are nice guys out there who are also pedophiles and wouldn’t assault another child after he gets out of prison. But that doesn’t mean we change the laws because of his exception. If you live your life trying to adhere to the exception and not the rule, your life will be miserable. So much more so will our country be.

Preposterous. You take the entire population of transgenders within any given city and I would accurately be able to identify them as male or female for the VAST majority of them if we met in person.

 

Except it doesn’t state that but continue.

Gallup is the source among sexually active adults. That brings your claimed number down from 1:11 to 1:2.75 and that is using lowered numbers of people who self identify — virtually every polling organization acknowledges the limitations of a self identification sampling rate especially with the topic being an issue as propagandized as homosexuality — just like you are doing now. Shocking

I have never used his work to advance any agenda, if you think that numbers will not be disrupted by the item being studied being illegal than it is your narrative that is laughable. Unsurprisingly so.

 

While not denying the existence of the gender fluid, most people don't change their gender. Claiming that their gender doesn't match their sex is different from changing it back and forth.

 

Rarely are issued agreed upon between yourself and myself. But on this particular matter there is agreement with the above.

 

Not because you and your ilk have not tried and continue to do so today — see same sex marriage, medical care, adoption, inheritance, insurance, military service, education and in dozens of other areas.

It is cute that y’all are now screaming you are the victim because you are asked to refer to someone by a pronoun that alleviates their suffering.

 

That's why this is a free speech issue, not a freedom of religion issue. There has been no lawsuit yet against these unconstitutional laws compelling people to say words they don't want to say (i.e. forcing people to call someone by their "preferred pronoun").

 

So then states can outright ban religion all together? Correct?

And allowing same sex couples is not subsidizing their “sin” anymore than the general population is forced to subsidize your “sin”.

 

It shouldn’t be an issue of free speech or religion. If you can alleviate suffering by referring to someone with a potential mental illness in you eyes, why would you not do so?

What do you gain by being a complete *******?

 

Which people would those be? The physicians who have been caught performing unnecessary surgeries for their own financial benefit? The physicians who have sexually assaulted their own patients while they were under the effects of anasthesia? The physicians who receive financial incentives to prescribe certain medicines that a patient does not need? Or the pharmaceutical industry that has played a part in the united states currently being besieged by an opioid epidemic through its aggressively reckless distribution approach to such medications?

As opposed to those who would be subjected to criminal punishments for not referring to them by their preferred gender pronoun? How is such regarded as the better alternative?

Strange how the sources do not even acknowledge those who had such surgeries and did not experience the benefits, but wound up in a worse situation afterward.

Are there efforts underway to criminalize the refusal to provide such services to the public, or otherwise politicize such issues in a way that exploits those in need?

Society already does not encourage religion.

 

Affirmation of the delusion.

Not everyone can be saved. Not everyone wants to be saved. Society should accept such facts and simply move on.

And yet it is the truth of the matter.

 

A condition that cannot actually be proven as being real in a scientific manner.

 

I was referring to the patients. So to answer every question you just asked — no.

So you believe suicide due to bullying is preferable over monetary fines?

Those stories are also out there — and the vast majority of the time the ones that focus on the unsuccessful transitions do not mention the successful ones. So you find that strange also?

It isn’t needed, if someone needs facial reconstruction or medication no one questions it or advocates for harassment against them. That doesn’t apply here as that is exactly what is occurring.

Depending on the area of the country that is anywhere from misleading to being an outright lie.

 

The same as religion

 

Again, if that is what brings them stability why is it such an issue to you. If you see a handicapped person saying they are not handicap do you correct them?

So now fat people should die alongside transgender persons? You are on a roll. What other groups should we just move on from?

Yeh, thats why I said it.

 

They don’t see the complete irony of their positions.
It is puzzling to witness.

 

The "glue" for the rise of most cultural empires was a common belief in a monotheistic deity or in polytheistic deities, and more importantly, the set of behavioral standards expected by that god (of those gods). Eventually in most cultures, the core tenants and beliefs which held the culture together were questioned and rebelled against. Great empires fall when a civilization loses their common beliefs and stop following a generally agreed upon set of standard set of morals and values. Whether you believe in God or not, America was more united and stronger when Judeo-Christian values and behaviors "glued" the citizens together with a common understanding of "good versus evil".

There were laws in America which reflected 6 of the 10 commandments, and most Americans practiced to other 4 with no man-created laws on the books. All but 3 laws which correlate with the 10 commandments have been stricken from legislation. Laws allowing stealing property are being written, wiping out another of the commandments.

The planned destruction of worshipping God in America is being replaced with Earth worship, or worship of the created instead of the creator.

The current politicization of trangenderism is simply part of the broad plan to stamp our once-common values, destroy the "glue" of American (and European) tradition and replace western national "empires" with a singular global empire.

 

That’s correct. But states can also enact laws benefitting religion and schools can have religion in them. As it was after the founders signed off on the constitution. We even had state sponsored religions in different states.

And of course it is. Who do you think pays for their marriage benefits?

 

Not all of the medical community is saying that. The same thing is happening with sex/gender "science" as is happening with debate over whether man can actually control global warming. The voices of psychiatrists and doctors who disagree with the "new evidence" about gender are being silenced for political reasons, just like the scientists whose studies find that only a small fraction of the rise in CO2 is caused by man.

There is a grand plan in transitioning the thinking of the masses at work around the world and we are just pawns in their game. "Evolution" is created by those few who hold the most power and money. They are about to win their game of Global Monopoly.

 

If you have male characteristics I'm calling you him, female characteristics I'm calling you her. I don't particularly care how you'd prefer to be addressed. That said, the point of my post was that no one gets to choose their gender (of course I'm ignoring the cases a child is born with a rare genetic condition)!

 

The medical community, huh? BULLSHIT. I see you referenced nothing.

 

If gender can truly change from day to day, then the notion of gender does not truly exist, and one cannot identify by their gender. One does not get to claim they are a male one day but a female another day.