DPR, LPR and Kherson Schedule Referendums on Joining Russia for September 23-27

Western media is not propaganda, no. It's a free and independent media. They're even allowed to call a war a war.

 

Lol I don't think you understand that most of your people aren't really ripping to be used as cannon fodder that's just your state owned propaganda machine.

 

Dude: You're getting your **** pushed in by a minor nation using our cast offs. And you're arming your conscripts with bolt action rifles made pre wwI
No one is using ****ing bows and arrows ffs, stop watching Rambo.

 

37 min ago
Russia could use "sham" referendums to escalate war, NATO's secretary general tells CNN

From CNN's Amy Cassidy in London

The world should prepare for Russia to use “sham” referendums in Ukraine to claim Russian territory is being attacked with NATO weaponry, according to the alliance’s chief.

"That’s exactly what we need to be prepared for, that Russia will use these sham votes to further escalate the war in Ukraine,” NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg told CNN’s Julia Chatterley on Friday as Ukrainian officials allege citizens in partially occupied regions are coerced into voting in referendums on joining Russia.

“But these votes have no legitimacy, and of course don’t change anything,” he said, echoing several Western leaders.

“NATO’s answer is to step up support. The best way to end this war is to strengthen Ukrainians on the battlefield further, so they can at some stage sit down and reach a solution which is acceptable for Ukraine and preserves Ukraine as a sovereign independent nation in Europe” he added.

"I support the message from [Ukrainian President Volodymyr] Zelensky that they [people] should not take part in these referendums," Stoltenberg said. ​

Live updates: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-09-23-22/index.html

 

Here at home - because let's be honest, there is NO SHOT you live in Russia because you know better (LOL) progressives are the ones who want arrest conservative MAGA supporters. So grats! You are supporting an authoritarian regime who is arresting people simply due to the fact that they oppose Putin's direction.

Putin. Who somehow magically has now ruled over Russia for 20 years. LOL. Because apparently no other Russian politician is good enough to do the job. How convienant.

Russia = North Korea at this point.

 

"Could" That's exactly the plan.

- take over Ukrainian land, kill or kick out all Ukranian people who support Ukraine.
- hold a referendum with who's left and declare that property now Russian
- Now that Russia has it's new land, China calls for peace talks...lol.

 

Well, at minimum it is an excuse to put drafted fresh meat into Ukraine, something that isn't technically legal without a sham referendum to call it Russian territory.

 

6 min ago
Residents of occupied areas are ignoring referendums called by pro-Russian officials, Ukraine says

From CNN's Tim Lister

Ukrainian officials say residents of Russian-occupied areas are ignoring the referendums organized by local Kremlin-backed authorities, but they acknowledged that in some instances, residents are being forced to vote.

The referendums, called on Tuesday in four parts of Ukraine under Russian control, have been widely denounced by western governments as a sham and are being conducted with few or no international observers beyond delegations from Russia.

"There is no referendum as such. It is imitation. Local residents are ignoring it. Some people are simply forced to vote. There were buses of people brought it from Crimea to cast ballots," Andriy Yusov, a Ukrainian Defense Intelligence official, told CNN.

The Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) said it had uncovered documents showing that the Russian-backed separatist-held Donetsk People's Republic planned to expand the electorate by involving teenagers younger than 18 in the vote.

In order to enhance control over the "turnout," Donetsk officials decided that minors should be accompanied to the polling stations by their parents, guardians or representatives of so-called orphanages, SBU added.

Pro-Russian officials in the occupied areas have been enthusiastically pushing the referendums as a historic change.

"Today is a day that happens in history once every few centuries. I personally knew it would happen, always. I always felt I was part of a huge family called Russia. Dreams have come true," Vladimir Saldo, the Russian-backed head of the Kherson region administration, said on his Telegram channel.

As he cast his ballot, Saldo said he was sure that as part of the Russian Federation, "our Kherson region and most importantly its people will be protected. Protected in every way."

The leader of the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic, Denis Pushilin, also cast his vote, saying, "I feel a sense of awe and confidence that what we have fought for so long is finally coming true. This is Homecoming. Return to the great Russia. History is being made today."

The voting continues until Tuesday.​

Live updates: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-09-23-22/index.html

 

Ahahaha..... "I read..." Is that your argument?

 

Isn't that always your "argument"? You post some nonsense from a propaganda source and proclaim it to be true.

 

Very accurately noticed - "They are allowed ...".
This is what I'm talking about.

 

It's really funny - you know better than the Russians what they want.
I'm wondering, do you understand what you write?

 

Everyone knows that the US Army is a primitive army. Even the Afghan goatherds drove the American army out in disgrace.

 

*L*

Your media isn't allowed to call a war a war. It's not allowed to report the truth about Ukraine.

 

If Russia is North Korea, then the United States is a slave-owning society with a primitive 17th century electoral law, where international observers are not allowed to vote. (Even the referendum in the DPR and LPR is attended by international observers, but this is not the case in the USA.) And I will not talk about repression against the supporters of the former president (Even the former US president is subject to repression) .... In general, today the United States represents a wild cannibal mixture of fascists and slave owners.

 

Only the ones who commit crimes such as storming the Capitol..

 

If I'm wrong, refute with facts.

 

What facts? There are as many facts in your posts as there are free media outlets in Russia.

 

Do you understand what you are writing? On the air of the main Russian TV channel, the opposition comes out with a poster .... and no one puts him in jail., She freely leaves the country ....
For Russians, this is not surprising. There is real freedom of speech in Russia.

 

If they had BLM signs we'd have let them have their "moment"

 

Is that your counter arguement? LOL...

 

The fact that she had to write a sign and sneak it onto the set is telling enough. You will never see this on American or other free news media because such opinions are commonplace and the information provided is factual and balanced.

Oh, and you're leaving out some details about what happened to Marina Ovsyannikova:

Russian TV employee who staged on-air protest says she was interrogated for more than 14 hours

The Russian TV employee who interrupted a widely viewed evening news broadcast holding a “No war” sign told reporters Tuesday that authorities interrogated her for more than 14 hours.

The Channel One employee, identified by Russian rights-monitoring group OVD-Info as Marina Ovsyannikova, said that after being taken into custody she was denied access to a lawyer and barred from contacting her family.

“I was in a rather tough situation,” she said outside a Moscow courthouse, according to an NBC News translation. “All the comments will be made tomorrow. I just need to rest today.”

... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...test-says-was-interrogated-14-hours-rcna20215​

Marina Ovsyannikova: Anti-war Russian journalist fined for 'discrediting army'

She made international headlines in March when she held a protest against the Ukraine war during a live broadcast on state-controlled Channel 1 news.

On Thursday, a Moscow court fined Ms Ovsyannikova 50,000 roubles ($800) over comments she made about the war.

"What's going on here is absurd," she told the court. "War is horror, blood and shame."

Russia passed a law against "discrediting" its armed forces in early March, shortly after it invaded Ukraine.

... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62335914​

Why did your country pass such a restrictive law? Why does your country do so much to suppress free speech? Why does it punish protesters with fines and imprisonment? Is this the kind of system you want to live under?

 

Trump did let them have their moment. An hours-long moment. Then he praised them and told them he loved them.

 

Trump is not who's in power atm

 

I accept your concession of the point.