Drone footage of migrants travelling to Europe

Twain was so right.

Sure, here's one aspect.
Like so many other fools, this video guy claims "millions of Muslims flooded into Germany."
2015
2, 13 million people came to Germany.
998,000 left Germany (859,000 were non-Germans leaving Germany).
That’s a plus of 1,13 million in 2015.

Who came?
45% of those who came to Germany in 2015 were people from other EU-countries.
13% of those who came were from European non-EU countries.
Some numbers (slightly rounded off/up):
298,000 from Syria
213.000 from Romania
196.000 from Poland
80,000 from Afghanistan
60,000 from Iraq
84.000 from Bulgaria
47,000 from Albania
92,000 from Romania
Let’s say 99,99% from Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan are Muslims, that makes 438,000 Muslims that came to Germany in 2015.
https://www.destatis.de/DE/PresseService/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2016/07/PD16_246_12421.html


2016
548,156 Muslims came to Germany. Check page 25.
https://www.bamf.de/SharedDocs/Anla...amt-in-zahlen-2016.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
For 2015 and 2016 combined: 986,156.
Nobody knows yet how many of these will be allowed to stay and if for how long. People from Maghreb countries, for example, have roughly a one percent chance of being accepted.

Detailed numbers (country of origin, religion, age group, etc.) for 2017 not published yet.
Total number of arrivals in 2017: 186,000 (total number!)
http://www.rp-online.de/politik/deu...lsuchenden-sank-2017-auf-186000-aid-1.7324407

The simple fact that 'asylum seeker', 'refugee', and 'immigrant' are three different categories that are handled differently by different laws is
almost always completely ignored by our self-proclaimed wannbe experts. The fact that someone came to Germany does in no way mean they will be allowed to stay forever is also completely ignored. The fact that the majority of people coming to Germany are from oher EU countries is completely ignored. The utterly idiotic debate is usually this: millions of refugees, all Muslims = millions of Muslims.
There is no "Millions of Muslims", simply doesn't exist.

 

I know it doesn't make any difference, experience has taught me, but here's another one.

“Rape attacks not reported if committed by Muslims”
Sexual attacks in Freiburg, Hamm, Kassel, and Munich were reported. How do we know about these cases if they are allegedly not reported?
Want to see the links and the reports? In German of course.

“Germans are told to learn Arabic” comes from Volker Beck, politician from the Green Party who said in certain parts of bigger cities where many Arabs live, people should learn Arabic. It wasn't "Germans are told to learn Arabic." Volker Beck was heavily criticized for this statement. Members of the CDU and other partys called his statement dangerous and very unintelligent. Volker Beck is no longer a member of the Bundestag and had to resign from his posts. In 2016 police caught him in possession of Crystal Meth – good bye. What he said is of no significance at all. The video guy makes it look like an official order for Germans to learn Arabic and someone without background info on the Bundestag, the Green Party or Volker Beck takes this crap at face value.

“Not fly the flag because it might provoke migrants”
Nothing in that short sequence says anything about migrants/flags or migrants being provoked by the flag. The cop asks the person to put the flag down, “ we don’t want to provoke anybody.” It doesn’t say who.
The vid guy makes up a different context to push his agenda. I’ve already explained that the flag is perfectly normal, ever watched football on tv when the German team plays?This whole thing is so obvious breitbart and gatestone-like that it hurts watching it.

“Germans are being trained that they need to assimilate” – complete bollocks. He just make that claim and that’s it, doesn’t support it in any way. The contrary is the case, numerous politicians have stated again and again that who comes here has to accept the laws, the customs, norms and values. Want to see interviews? Would be in German of course.

There are no gender segrgated zones for major events. He uses the safe-zone article that went around the media before NYE to deliberately create a false context again. This "Women safety zone" was an area in a tent set up by the German Red Cross in Berlin where women could go if they had experienced any form of molestation. Has nothing to do with "women only" areas so they can celebrate in safety, protected from Muslim men, complete bollocks again. I've already explained this to one of our yank frinds, was too complicated unfortunately.

One more time: When were you last here? Even been here? Your "expertise" comes from highly dubious youtube videos and that's all.
The fact that you seriously think you can tell me anything I don't know is just utterly ridiculous. Sadly enough, you really seem to believe that.

 

Caligula -

I'm afraid you're in denial mate.

And having just read your post 47, you're either very naive too or you have some kind of politically-affiliated agenda.

 

Are you in the UK, Jake? If so did you watch Panorama yesterday - about Saudi Arabia's part in all this? And how they've funded the building and staffing of mosques all over Europe, and still are; and providing unsourced funding for various jihadist groups? FFS if the liberal-obsessed BBC reports all that then I really am ******** myself. Bottom line is that, thanks to the loony left in so many European countries - notably Sweden and Germany - the momentum has now become unstoppable.

 

Denial? Sure, and your expertise comes from? How do you know? Been here? I can compare the claims in this absurd clip to reality, I don't think you can. If you want to take it at face value, your desicion.

 

I'm not an expert, but I have a very analytical brain which seldom fails me.

 

Did your very analytical brain notice any elements of political aganda in the vid and did you analyse what that agenda is and who's behind the vid?

 

I wasn't referring to the vid, I was opining my ongoing thoughts on the subject.

 

You asked for it. Here are some more aspects.
Around 3:40, the moment he says “replace the population”, you know he’s a complete idiot.
“Listen to the far left politicians (Plural) who proudly announce that very agenda.”
Have seen this clip numerous times on right-wing blogs and in videos and always used for the same arguments. The woman talking is Stefanie von Berg, a local politician of the Green party and a member of the senate of Hamburg. The subtitles use the word “German”/“German majority” which she doesn’t say. She doesn’t represent the far left in Germany in any way like the guy in the vid claims, she speaks about Hamburg and voices her opinion in the context of a debate that was held to discuss a newly migration report for Hamburg (not for Germany). She took the findings of said report and painted her picture of what might be in 20, 30 years ("I think...", "I hope..."). The Hamburg AFD posted that vid on FB and von Berg received death threats so that Jörn Kruse from the AFD Hamburg apologized. This woman doesn't represent Merkel, doesn't represent Merkel's policies, doesn't represent German policies in any way. Does a local politician from the city council of Birmingham/York/Nottingham/Leeds represent British policies? This whole thing is like a media competence class for year 12/13 students.

The vid guy claims there are “migrant no-go zones” but doesn’t really back that up in any way. I’d like to see reliable sources (that excludes breitbart, gatestone, infowars). He claims churches are being torn down and mosques rise all across the country. Reliable sources please, he doesn't provide any. If his claims were true, Germany would be a completely islamized country in three - four years. Will be interesting to see if he's right.

His “Bombshell Study: Migrants Caused 92% Violent Crime Increase in Germany is a article from infowars. That alone should tell anybody with a minimum of media competence how reliable and trustworthy it is.
https://www.infowars.com/bombshell-study-migrants-caused-92-violent-crime-increase-in-germany/
The context he creates on purpose is highly inaccurate. The study looked at data from Niedersachsen, one of sixteen states in Germany and doesn't represent Germany. The rise in crime is 10,4%, not 92% like this guy claims.
The study clearly specifies the problematic groups, people from the so-called Maghreb states, and that refugees aren't generally more criminal than for example Germans (that's in the study).
The report also says that people are twice as likely to report crimes if they are committed by people who are different from them, causing some distortion in the crime statistics (that's also in the study).

But they also clearly say that regulations for people from Maghreb countries need to be changed and they should be sent back quickly because we cannot be the country that takes everybody in.
When you have to rely on highly simplified and false interpretations based on a political agenda (which this vid clearly has), then you start believing pretty much everything, you have no measurement whatsoever to check whether the context is even remotely correct.
Summary of said study (in German of course).
http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/studi...nd.media.22ba294e98b633c0939fef3aff7b4a01.pdf
Should be enough.

 

No, not in the UK. The Muslim birth-bomb assures that most of Europe, particularly Western Europe, are future states of the Empire of Islam. Nor does it take a majority to take over a country, only a militant organized minority. Yes, Germany and Sweden will go first.

 

And the UK will be next. I say again . . . how I weep for my country.

 

We're way over crowded...too many people not enough space. Irrespective of race creed colour aliens martians carrilions we just have too many people and our services and infrastructure cannot cope.
That French fella is over today and one of his soundbites was take more of the Calais bunch....well....he can shove his tapestry up his rectum and fart over it.
I don't really post on these migrant threads because they just become purile rants about mooslims anyway IMHO the real problem is the popular liberal policy over lack of proper planning

 

That's how I see it - it isn't only about Muslims, it's about numbers. I mean what kind of insanity is it to invite 5 million foreigners into a country over as many years before making provision for them in the areas of accommodation, employment, and health care.

 

Since you asked, here's another one.
First, many people in Merkel’s CDU don’t agree with her migration policies from 2015/early 2016. I could give you a list of names, but you wouldn’t know any of them. Intellectuals, journalists, media people, professors, law experts, politicians from her own CDU and other parties have criticized Merkel many times. There are, however, also those who have supported her policies in 2015. It’s not even remotely as black’n white as the video guy tries to tell you.
Second, here’s minister of the interior (you’d call him home sec.) Thomas de Maiziere saying that the number of new arrivals in 2017 (186,000) is still much too high and needs to be reduced, despite the 342,000 people that were rejected and given a negative decree in 2017.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutsch...-Maiziere-ist-der-Asylzuzug-viel-zu-hoch.html

Third, “Germans are being trained that they need to assimilate”
I’ve already said that this statement is complete bollocks. Many politicians have stated that everybody who comes to Germany and will be, eventually, allowed to stay has to accept the western way of life, its values and norms (of course, we know that this is often not the case and those who have a problem with that are mostly from Arabic countries, that's why this issue is addressed). Btw, people who come to Germany are in no way automatically entitled to stay for good, this is almost always completely ignored. The laws and regulations are rather complicated and it often takes almost a year until an individual case is decided (stay or leave).
Home sec. Thomas de Maiziere again:
The issue of "Leitkultur" has been part of much social and political debate in Germany for some 15 years now. The idea, mainly perpetuated by Chancellor Angela Merkel's CDU party and especially its Bavarian CSU sister-party, supports the view that immigrants to Germany have to assimilate to a set of shared cultural values.
[…] However, divisive issues like wearing the burqa are also addressed, with de Maiziere commenting that in Germany, "we shake hands, show our faces, and tell people what our names are. We don't do [the] burqa."
Of course, he was criticized by parts of the far-left and parts of the Green Party, but that’s the normal political discourse; others have agreed with him.
http://www.dw.com/en/german-interio...favor-of-leitkultur-for-immigrants/a-38643836

The hijab has been a topic in the past and still is. The tv spot in that vid which, as the guy claims, is used to “normalize the hijab” was a one day (!) campaign made by one tv programme (there are more than 410 tv programmes in Germany). I had to search for that spot as I had never seen it before, that’s how “nation-wide” it was. Has nothing to do with “mass brainwashing the population.”
You really have to excuse me now, that vid has given me a headache for days (let alone the moronic comments under the vid on infowars and yt).


Edit: missed a word.

 

just reading through the article posted....

Are the courts being overloaded with cases that drag on...the article continues...

Is the legal system just being jammed up at the moment? Are cases being reffered to the European courts?
This sounds pretty much like we have in that from the time of arrival it takes so much time and money in order to get the legal right to export failed applications

 

Scotty, I'm impressed. How come? Language teacher? Good education?
Cases are not referred to European courts. Courts in Germany, or the legal system as such, have/has been operating at their/its limits for at least 15 - 20 years. It's always worked decently, but with the influx of late 2015, things got very busy.
IMO, the system should be streamlined considerably and needs more personal. Immigrants who received a negative decree have the right to go to court a second time, this, however, has to be the next higher court (Oberverwaltungsgericht) and they almost always decide against the immigrant/asylum seeker. So it often takes up to one year. Moneywise, people are given a roof above their head and mostly non-cash benefits. A friend of mine works for the city council of town that took in 600 in late 2015, she told me they get pocket money only. Of course housing and non-cash benefits cost money and, yes, it does take too much time to export rejected people IMO.

 

I lived in Hamburg for 10 years.... I was born in Münster (father in the army BAOR) both kids born in Hamburg.....biggest mistake of my life was leaving to return to the UK....

 

Interesting, I live in your place of birth.

 

Small world huh...... I guess the military hospital is long gone? We actually lived in Osnabruck (twice) was there for about 4 years... something like that.

 

Ask and it will be given to you.

Still got a massive headache from this unbelievable bullsh** vid, but here’s another aspect.
4:57 – 4:59, “Historic Christian churches are being demolished and mosques and Islamic centers multiply across the country.”
That church in the vid is the church in the village of Immerath. It was demolished because the whole village has been moved due to soft coal surface mining. People were outraged and protested for quite some time, didn’t help. Has absolutely nothing (I repeat: nothing) to do with Islam. This is a perfect example of deconstructing and reconstructing something thus the context and its meaning are completely changed. Joseph Goebbels would be proud.
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellsc...er-dom-faellt-baggern-zum-opfer-15383284.html

All English:
http://www.dw.com/en/unused-church-...to-make-way-for-open-pit-coal-mine/a-42089253
Germans outraged as historic church makes way for coal mine
http://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/germans-outraged-as-historic-church-makes-way-for-coal-mine
https://www.google.de/search?q=garz...fox-b&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=EathWp28EM7CXpjwkJAO

Here’s more general info on Garzweiler surface mining if you’re not familiar with this, which is likely to be the case.
German:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagebau_Garzweiler#Protest_und_Widerstand_von_Tagebaugegnern
English (quite short article):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garzweiler_surface_mine

More pics of said church. Pay attention to the digger.
https://www.google.de/search?client...y-ab..2.1.161...0j0i30k1j0i24k1.0.gbMooyZL4yM

Here's the plan for Garzweiler, you can see all the villages that have been or will be moved including Immenrath and its church.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagebau_Garzweiler#/media/File:Garzweiler_II_Karte.jpg
Btw, the decision to move those villages including the demolition of all buildings (incl. the church) was made in 1995 by back then PM of the state of NRW, Johannes Rau. It took so long because people went to court numerous times and wanted to save some buildings, esp the church.

That guy is taking his naive viewers for a major ride and people are, unfortunately, naive enough to believe him and obviously not smart enough to ask critical questions. That vid just makes me want to puke into that idiot's face.
This whole thing is a perfect textbook example of what's called fake news.

 

I didn't know there was a military hospital, no military in Münster or Osnabrück anymore. There's still some military personnel around Paderborn and in Bad Fallingbostel, considerably reduced though.

 

I was just chatting to my dad it closed in 1990....likewise Roberts Barracks in Osnabruck was closed in 2008.

This was the Hospital...I guess its gone now?


Anyway a little trip down memory lane....

 

That pic doesn't really ring a bell, but I'm fairly sure this is now part of the university medical centre.

 

I'm looking forward to more pics.

 

Looks very much like this building here, right? Newspaper says it's now a dermatological clinic and under monumental protection.
http://www.wn.de/Muenster/Stadtteil...ne-Tueren-In-Stein-gemeisselte-Nazi-Ideologie