Dual loyalty? No. Single loyaltly.

No one can claim to be both Spheradi Orthodox, National Relgious and Ultra-Orthodox at the same time, to make it more understandable to you (so you can invent a more reliable Jew friend next time) its like saying Muslims can be both Sunni and Shea at the same time, and Muslims love these conflicts....really they do...

Any more evading attempts ? the topic is Orthodox Jews in the US, not nationalists in Israel...

 

Yet another logical fallacy.

The assumption that american orthodox jews protesting an Israeli government policy affecting orthodox jews in Israel is a demonstration of their loyalty to Israel is ridiculous.

To the billions of people who lack your jew hating agenda, the protest is clearly RELIGIOUSLY based not nationalist based and does not call into question anyone's national loyalties.

A simplistic and completely erroneous misinterpretation such as this appears to be nothing more than an opportunity to reinforce hatred and derive some twisted satisfaction of expressing same.

It would seem that no citizen can protest anything that occurs in their country of origin without proving that they are not loyal to their own country.

I am never suprised to see how hatred can narrow one's perspective to the point of spouting illogical absurdities in an obviously hypocritical and transparent attempt to rationalize that hatred.

you rarely fail to meet my expectations, jackie boy.

 

No one forces you to read, respond, or add to a thread, Uri.

No one stops you from creating your own.

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Brilliant work.

Save for one thing.

I already put this up.

Good work though.

 

This is about conscription, as per the article.

Not the holocost.

 

My loyalty is not to the British establishment as it is, no. I have no issue with American people, I take them as I find them, they are all shades of everything. But I despite the US establishment. I have heard some Israeli Jews speak who seem like good people first and only, but I cannot abide the true agitators that exist among them. Who but a lunatic or one of them, would want to be on their side?

 

Well, have it your way then, but I assure you, calling another member on here a liar, or the above is regarded as a personal attack.

I guess unless you amend this, I am going to have to simply ignore your posts then, as I had to with one or two others.

 

Excuse me. if I've failed to explain what I really wanted to say . , please go read Moishe3

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion-philosophy/

thread on his " Ask a Jew" thread

 

This is not about the holocost.

It is about 100.000 Jews protesting conscription of Jews who are not them.

 

Based on your own logic your protests against Israel or the US mean that your loyalty is not to the United Kingdom or the British people either, your loyalty based on your logic is to Palestine, Iraq, Islam...Unless of course your logic is absurd.

 

No- really his message is "jews= bad"- the rest is just another reason for why he thinks that they are.

Apparently he missed the whole "A Catholic can't be President because he will be ruled by the Pope" campaign when Kennedy ran for President.

 

I was making the comparison that Catholics can owe dual loyalty to the Pope as the head of the Catholic church as well as to the government of their country in the same way that many Jews can owe dual loyalty to the State of Israel as well as to the government of their own country. Which part of this simple comparison was beyond your comprehension, JN?

 

No.

You seem confused.

An actual comparison would be American Catholics protesting about conscription of Catholics in Italy.

 

And why is it bad or questionable to care for ppl of diffrent nationality ??? it would be OK even if they demonstrated against thier own US gov (which they dont) and even if the other country was an enemy (which it isnt), so please explain why is that a problem for you so we can address that.

 

Or US Italians against Muselini? US japanese against the Emperor ? Franch Muslims against Freanch gov? ALL European Muslims against European Gov for actions made on other continents ? it goes on and on, I dont think you'll find a single country with several nationalities that didnt have some demonstrations of the sort.

 

To understand the point you wanted to make I need to read a book ?, look, why wont you take afew more hours - ill wait I promise - and copy paste what that Moshe felle supposed to have said and Ill reply, thx.

 

Anti-Jewish hate is a mental disorder. It doesn't need facts or reality. But according to the OP, Cubans in Miami are a danger to our culture and something must be done about it.

http://www.euronews.com/2010/03/26/mass-protest-in-miami-for-cuban-political-prisoners/

 

see this :

http://www.politicalforum.com/rules.php

Rule (4)
4) Personal Attacks:

ATTACK THE MESSAGE, NOT THE MESSENGER - Any statement directed at or about another member of Political Forum that is derogatory in nature will be considered a 'Personal Attack'.


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You consider this a personal attack?
Wow, this is a new low.

 

Remember the rules....they can call us murders, thieves, evil conspirators and all manner of evil things, but call them on it and it is a personal attack.

So I just point out that Jew Hate is a mental disorder.

 

What's your opinion on Anti-Arab - OR - Anti-British etc.etc. HATE ?

 

But why would they?

Why would I protest the conscription of Catholics in Italy, for example?

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And anti European, anti white, and ultimately, anti American....

 

Racist holding up the forum's rules as a shield to help them spread their racist ideas. Yeah that'll work.

 

Its not about conscription as you well know. Its about religious practice vs secular commitment.

But don't let the facts actually get in the way of such simply crafted questions.

Why would Canadian Palestinians protest the Israeli occupation? Why would Falun Gong members in the United States protest chinese discrimination?

But then again, why make an appropriate comparison when a stupid one might actually fool somebody other than oneself.

 

I don't suppose you can recognise your own racism , can you ? Take a good look in a mirror

 

You're making generalizations again. Individuals are what matter - and individual Jews have varying degrees of loyalty to Israel - most I've met here in my home country bloody hate what's going on over there.

If you've got a problem with an individual then say it - but to make a statement about a grouping of people the statement must be necessarily true for all in that group - or you should state some qualifier - like "most Jews" or better yet, give a percentage.

You make the same mistake the right does