Earth just had its 400th straight warmer-than-average month thanks to global warming

Yeah, nature.

 

What the MOE means is that for any given year you are not certain there has been any warming.

Once again, you are taking data from 60 years and applying to a MOE meant for a single reading.

Your manipulation isn't working.

 

I suppose that depends on what you mean by "fixing it." If you mean "prevent the Earth from being destroyed," then we will never be the personal cause - outside of nuclear war. If you mean "prevent catastrophic damage to the currently existing plants and animals," then we have somewhere between 30-50 years to dramatically alter our behavior.

 

"natural only" is not a theory, unlike MMGW.

It is a proven fact for billions of years.

 

So its 30 to 50 years? What temp does the earth need to reach to fulfill your vision of doom?

 

You should tell that to Easterbrook, Soon, Baliunas, etc. who only consider natural processes and explicitly reject any anthroprogenic processes to come up with their predictions. By the way...their predictions of the global mean temperature are horrible.

 

I don't care what your opinion of them is.

The fact remains that natural only heating and cooling is a fact that has been happening for billions of years.

Why do you deny science?

 

Not true. When you compare 2 years in which their difference exceeds the MOE you have 100% confidence in the conclusion of their relative ranking.

 

Whoa...hold on. I've never denied that natural processes effect the climate. In fact, I fully embrace the idea as do all climate scientists. In fact, it was climate scientists that determined and told you that it was natural process A or natural B, etc. that change the climate.

So you when you say I and climate scientists deny that natural processes are involved you are building up a strawman. That's fine. All good debates have strawmen injected into them at some point, just don't ask us to participate in tearing them down. Afterall, that's your strawman; not ours.

 

Yes.

Data that clearly shows the earth was hotter and colder both pre-industrial and pre-human.

The earth may be experiencing an increase in temperature over the last few hundred years.

That doesn't mean your conclusions match the facts.

 

Once again you are manipulating...........words this time.

I said "natural only". Learn to read.

 

Really? What was thermometer of choice for the Cro-magnon?

 

I know exactly what you said. Let me rephrase this. I fully acknowledge that ALL climate change in the past was "natural only". Duh...is that not obvious?

 

At least you accept that little bit of reality....and admit I introduced no "strawman" into the debate. You simply made that up by manipulating what I actually said.

Baby steps

 

If I had a time machine and the chance to go back to the creation of earth and stop to monitor it once per century, I'd tell you the mechanism. Industrialization's effect is about the same as the effect of shooting BBs at a car to stop it.

"Coming out of an ice age" doesn't have to be anything, it's been doing this for billions of years.

 

Oh, I do more than accept it. I am flat out telling you with the abundance of research from climate scientists that have my back that natural processes can and do influence the climate. And, since humans either were incapable of influencing the climate in the pre-industrial era or just simply weren't even around yet, there were definitely periods in the Earth's history in which all of the climate change was only natural. In fact, for more than 99% of Earth's history it was only nature influencing the climate. That is mind numbingly obvious. But, that's not what is in dispute here. The dispute is that science says today's climate change can be explained by the net effect of natural + anthroprogenic processes while deniers say that it is only natural processes. That's the dispute.

 

Really? Cite your source.

I'll cite 2 that easily refute your claim.

Arrenhius 1896: On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air upon the Temperature of the Ground
Callendar 1938: The artificial production of carbon dioxide and its influence of temperature

 

Not on a scale large enough to make a difference. The sun coincidentally got hotter when we starting industrializing around the world so you think that has something to do with the climate. If scientists are right and we begin to cool off in 2020 due to dark spots on the sun which are minimizing solar radiation, what are we going to hear about fracking, farts, and gas engines?

 

Sunspots and solar radiation.

 

The IPCC notes a goal of 2 degrees of celsius increased over the average in order to avoid some extremely dire results.

 

We also have data regarding the rate of increase and decrease. The current rate and amount of warming is concerning.

 

Or global warming on other planets?

Democrats' Dark Money and the Climate Industrial Complex

 

Thermometers are not the only type of data for measuring temperature.

 

Sure.

 

Correct. The Sun was warming in the at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century. That goes a long way in explaining the warming during THAT period. In fact climate scientists think the majority of the warming prior to 1960 was natural and they point to the Sun as a leading candidate that explains the warming. Don't hold your breath waiting for dramatic Easterbrook style cooling starting in 2020.

And here's where things go south. In what is mostly coincidental timing the Sun peaked in terms of solar activity and total solar radiation around 1960. This is about the time scientists believe the human element really began ramping up. And since 1960 the Sun has cooled while the Earth got warmer. Notice the divergence in solar activity vs the global mean temperature.