Economic Reasons to Repeal Roe v Wade

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  1. bclark

    bclark Well-Known Member

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    You are really slitting hairs here looking to prove a point which has a tremendous amount of data here when you start saying that children with step-parents are worse off than children with one natural parent. I would assume that children abandoned by 2 parents would be worse off than those abandoned by only one. However, this hardly means it is 'good' for one parent to abandon their kids.

    I also enjoy the crime statistic shenanigans and how we say crime is down, but illegitimacy is up. Liberals want so badly to show that there is no correlation between promiscuity, illegitimacy, and crime. How exactly do you explain the incarceration rate then? It is almost 5x what it was less than a generation ago.

    You can dicker about inconsistencies from year to year, but this fact is undeniable.
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...0px-U.S._incarceration_rates_1925_onwards.png

    Maybe before launching more attacks on those who propose a solution, you could propose an alternative? Or is it OK having the highest percentage of its citizenry in the world incarcerated?
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    What is YOUR "solution" ?
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    I'll respond to this first, nowhere have I launched any attacks at all, I have simply provided data to dispute your assertion, which was that pre-marital sex causes more divorces and more single-parent families means more crime. So far you haven't been able to offer any substantial evidence to support that assertion.

    A partial solution would be to ensure that a job pays a wage that people can actually live on.

    So citing the very things you linked to is splitting hairs is it?

    No one, including me, is saying that single-parent families are ideal .. however this insistence that pre-marital sex causes more divorces and more single-parent families means more crime really is a load of rubbish.

    Better policing techniques, advances in DNA evidence, approaches like increasing the number and presence of police on city streets and "broken windows" and "hot spot" policing (intensive and assertive police presence in specific areas where crimes have been committed.), a drop in the 'crack' users etc etc etc there are numerous reasons why the prison population went up starting in the 1980's, to try and lay the overall blame for this on pre-marital sex causing more divorces and more single-parent families is disingenuous,
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most definitely one of the worst arguments I have yet seen...
     
  5. bclark

    bclark Well-Known Member

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    Interesting opinion. I hear this a lot. Are there any actual facts to discredit my argument? Please steer clear of statements like: "Because all the cool kids think abortion should be legal either, and everyone else is a bigot / religious zealot."
     
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    Couldn't answer my question???? What is YOUR solution?
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure.....I'll just do the easiest first:

    RvW is currently the law of the land, and has been for decades.....We are not a third world country and show no signs of becoming one.
     
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    The Wall Street Journal disagrees with your assessment of the country's direction. I am saying that we have been in a decline since RVW.
    http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204840504578086264176773002

    What you are saying doesn't match up with the pictures I see in our country. Take a look at these pictures of Cleveland, and tell me you are still sure we are going in the right direction.
    http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and...e-work-of-photographer-seph-lawless-slideshow
     
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    When Mr. Gedmin, president and CEO of the London-based Legatum Institute, wrote that in 2012, the United States had slipped from 10th to 12th on their "Prosperity Index". Considering that we've returned to 10th place since then, rumors of our impending decline appear to be exaggerated.
     
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    If we are going the direction of a third world country, it is because of the wealth gap. The middle class is disappearing, and third world countries have no middle class, just the very wealthy and the poor. The gap is increasing in the US, but not because women have rights. El Salvador is a third world country with the most restrictive abortion laws anywhere, for example.
     
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    For impact....you should have used Detroit. Thing is, neither one can be in any way tied to Abortion being legal...in ANY way.

    You should also see what some cities looked like long before RvW....far less pleasant.

    There is no causation in your argument, nor does an editorial piece in the newspaper equate to fact....there is a reason it is referred to as an opinion piece.
     
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    I think we agree here. The loss of wealth is the reality that we are facing. When we used to have strong families, the workers could band together effectively against corporate greed and excess. When everyone is playing guess who the father is, there is no hope
     
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    Those are the most disjointed, unrelated sentences...


    Workers could band together whether they had a strong family, a weak family or no family at all!

    Who fathered who had nothing to do with job loss and wage stagnation...... your dots can never connect....
     
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    How is it that people who are clearly only thinking about themselves will band together with others? It makes no sense. The reality is that the decay of the family leads to socialism, Marxism and fascism. And yes the workers don't benefit.
    https://www.marxists.org/archive/kollonta/1920/communism-family.htm
     
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    """"""How is it that people who are clearly only thinking about themselves will band together with others?""""""

    Easy, there's more power in numbers.


    Now, care to get back to abortion, economics doesn't seem to be your best subject.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    So you are ignoring everything I have posted, despite numerous of those post being from links YOU provided .. stop cherry picking data to suit your opinion and actually do some research in the subject instead of being blindly led by the nose.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Oh for God sake, this just gets more ridiculous as it goes on, the whole bloody world suffered a decline and of course that was due to abortion and single-parent families :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Oh, the irony. Without abortion we would be closer to a third world country! One of the main reasons for the state of third world, if not the main one, is the lack of family planning and responsible procreation over there.
     

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