Educated vs "Non-Educated"

What ? That without mandated vaccines you would be alive today ? The average life expectancy has doubled due to government mandated medical practices.

 

This is one of the problems with science education today. You are pumping nonsense.

Your claim makes no more sense than that cheese consumption leads to death by becoming tangled in ones besheets:

 

Please quote where I’ve made any claim that religious activity is more important than income level. I’ve never made that claim one way or the other. The fact remains, those most active in religious activity outperform those who aren’t.

So are you admitting here that increases in academic performance are correlated to income level but there is no causation involved? Think, man.

 

Neither of us has any idea if I’d exist without vaccines or not. I didn’t address that. Previously in this thread I brought up vaccinations as a legitimate function of Public Health Service. What I did address is your incorrect claim on sewage and the intimated claim on snow plows. You are wrong on those counts.

 

Read the study. It’s addressed. Remember, you are talking about the science. It’s Stanford. I’m just the messenger.

Are you also admitting there is only correlation between income level and academic performance, and that there is no causation? Your cheese graph makes a pretty good argument for that being the case...

 

My study is not from Canada. You found something from Canada unrelated to anything I’ve posted.

 

Does my chart also show there is no causation involved in the increased performance of students at higher income levels?

 

That’s irrelevant. The fact is those who are more involved religiously are better performers academically. That’s my claim and it’s supported by numerous studies. You could say there exists a consensus among researchers that I’m correct.

 

and it also says, the greatest increase is dependent upon income level.

 

A study like this shows no causation one way or another.

 

Can you prove who would live and die in the absence of vaccines? Post a list...

 

So? I’ve never claimed anything about income level. Two things can increase grades at the same time, no?

 

I don't care who it is. And, they were careful to point out that it is a correlation.

And, that is what you cited in your post #3006.

I don't see anything you or they added that steps beyond this as a correlation.

In other words, it's as much of a proof as my chart proves cheese consumption leads to dying by becoming tangled in your bedsheets.

 

Oh, it’s now irrelevant because income is the greatest determining factor. Don’t you think family income will also affect your support to go to activities that promote social involvement....like church activities do also the YMCA, head start ect. and other youth involvement programs.
Look at your other references. Read them all. If religion has an effect, it’s no greater then many other opportunities and less then family income. What you can derive from religion, you can easily derive elsewhere with higher family income.

 

I don't see anything like that in your cite.

 

Yet income has a direct effect on your ability to attend church, the Y etc. everything stems from parental freedom.
Low income families don’t have th3 freedom to involve their children in anything. Religion would be the last choice if early pre K were another....or even child day care with developmental programs.

 

The potential avenues of causation are discussed. I alluded to that with my comments on religious dogma being comparative to educational paradigms. But it went over your head. Nobody has claimed being in a certain physical location a certain number of times increases performance. Of course there are many factors involved. But the facts remain.

 

Well, maybe you should. Raising the minimum wage would seem to have a greater effect then trying to get kids to go to church while parents are working two jobs.

 

The only fact is.....income has the greatest correlation. It affects a family’s freedom to attend church....if that’s their choice. Regardless, dismissing this overriding factor and thinking poorer kids can be A students if they just attend church, is delusional. Without resources, that’s not happening.

 

Please read the “theoretical framework” section. Also the abstract talks about controlling for other variables. This is one way to figure out if causation is a factor. I’m afraid you may not understand what you are talking about. Your cheese graph is cute, but the cited study is not anything like the cheese graph. The fact you can’t distinguish between the two is a bit concerning. You claim to not see anything in the study beyond correlation but the abstract addresses it as well as later in many places.

 

it seems I think a tad better then your comments indicate.
You really don’t know what a single study represents do you ? Causation only comes about through a consensus . You I are not privy to nor qualified to say what causation is with any certainty. These are correlations. Even scientists don’t pretend to be as smart as some people who seem to have all the answers.

 

It’s relevant to education. It’s irrelevant to this specific discussion, started when another poster claimed religious students under performed. I’ve demonstrated that to be false. That was my original intent. Income does not affect the ability to be involved in religious activities. In fact religious organizations increase opportunities for the poor.

Please cite a study showing another metric can replace the religious activity component. I would honestly be interested in seeing it.

Why does religious kids outperforming non religious ones bother you?

 

But clearly low income do involve their children in things. Where do you think all the data came from in the Stanford study? Please demonstrate with a link or something that low income families can’t involve their children in religious pursuits.

 

There is something else that is disturbing here.

To me, your whole cite comes off as a profound insult the the very idea of religion.

One doesn't "become religions" on the grounds that it might improve the kid's grades in school.

Religious belief is far deeper than that. Pretending to be an X (regardless of what the X is) is NOT a religious act. It's the act of a charlatan.

And, if you really think the kids can't figure that out, you just have had no contact wth kids.

 

Nope. Because there are plenty of people in the study who attended church less and yet, had higher gpa then those who attended more. You fail to be a real broker of the facts with your posts.