Effort to bar child marriage in California runs into opposition

your ruining the rights talking points with facts.. your supposed to just accept their alternative facts

 

I had no idea Roy Moore was a liberal.

 

Are you that desperate to marry your pet goat?

 

Keep them away from Fux News if any are female.

 

cause the left supports consenting adults marrying, not animals and children like some on the right seems too

 

Don't you ever call my sheep a goat. She's softer and more beautiful. hahaha

Seriously, think about it. It isn't a huge leap. A woman near me walks her dog in a doggy stroller and talks to it, him/her like a human child. I'm sure, if she could have the rights that humans have for her beloved, she would marry him. Yes, the gender is male.

I can't see an argument against it. She talks to the dog and treats it like a human. If she believes it is human, who is to say it isn't legal? Who is it hurting?

Other arguments might be:
They don't require the cost in social programs children from a marriage do.

They don't eat much, if they are small.

They are friendlier than humans, most anyway.

Fewer dogs kill than humans.

They can't hold a pistol.

Well, I'm sure there are better arguments for marriage than those.

 

I'm not disputing that. I think the age of consent and marriage should be moved to 27.

 

The mexican lobby in California are firmly against not allowing young Mexicans to marry if they wanted to.

I know a mexican kid that saved up his money to go back to mexihole for the first time in, like, 8 years (This was back in late 2002).

He was 24.

He even saved up enough money to pay the coyote(s) to bring him back across the border.

He was there for about a month and came back with a pregnant (with his kid) 13 year old bride (who was soon to be 14).

That's just what those people do.

And they brought that mindset and "culture" with them when they came here.

 

adult is 18, not 21, not 27... I know it gets confusing as the law can't make up it's mind

 

How do you keep teens from screwing teens, or rather children from having sex? I don't know. Is it simply the age and maturity which is in question......the power of the adult? Well, they should not be allowed to marry, but neither should they be considered an adult, if they ask to marry a teen or child. Seriously, they need testing and evaluation. However, teens having sex is not better, and may be worse, in my opinion.......says the guy who has no room to talk, yet some age and experiences to tell him it ain't the best idea.

 

Here's my opinion on the matter. I've constructed a table showing which age should be able to marry any other age

10 -- should not be able to marry
11 -- 18
12 -- 19
13 -- 21
14 -- 26
15 -- 29
16 -- 32
17 -- any age

Anyone under 18 should require either a parent's consent or a judge to sign off on it. If they're under 16 both should be required. I wouldn't support marriage under 14 except in very rare circumstances, and maybe in that case there should be additional protections and oversight to make sure that it was appropriate. (Oh, and most marriage requests from 14 year olds should be denied, but that doesn't mean there aren't less common cases where it should be approved)

The age table for non-marital sexual consent should look different than the table for marrying (a more restrictive age difference, especially on the lower end), but with more freedom for older teens to choose for themselves without requiring official oversight.

 

Studies say the brain is not developed until around the age of 27. Do you dispute that marriage and child rearing are a huge responsibility?

 

How is it that teens can and do have sex? I did it when I was a teen. Today, I know it was a mistake. Then, I was just a horny kid in the throes of puberty and some freedom in my life.

 

Why was it a mistake?

I thought it was great fun...for as long as it lasted.

 

here the problem with your argument. These lower consent to marry laws preceded any of your predictions, most were on the books before FDR and modern liberalism was a thing, and the broader movement is to further regulate or restrict such marriages, not the other way around. Even this bill heads the opposite direction as your theory.

What you need to research is recent laws to lower the age from say 15 to 13 or allow only one parent to give permission instead of both or otherwise make it easier, not harder for young people below the age of 18 to wed.

 

You see, though, it's kind of similar to this discussion. If an adult wants a child for sex, it's absolutely wrong. Okay, why? Because he or she is able to control the child and might make the child do things which are disgusting and an adult would be able to turn down. The child has been, basically, enslaved. If the child gets pregnant, who is going to take care of the baby?

Okay, well, I guess the adult in the relationship. How about in a teen pregnancy? The state and parents of the child.

When I think about this objectively, I don't see one as better than the other. I see them both equally bad for the child and our society.

Hope that explains a little.

Yeah, I married the teen I was having sex with when I was a teen. Then, we had two children. We ended up divorced and I paid through the nose for child support and education, as well as health costs. So, it was fun, alright. I love my children, but jeez, I would have been better off not having sex, falling in lust and getting married. Yeah, those are all good morals, or were.....except for the sexual activity in our teens.

 

Some of us learned responsibility (before they engaged in teen sex) at a young age and some of us did not.

I had fun...and lots of it!

 

So, you think it's okay for children to have children? It's okay for the brain to be severely underdeveloped and have sex with another of the same age and development, just as long as you can say it worked for you?

Edit: By the way, she didn't get pregnant until after marriage. Would it have been better to dump her after I used her body? Because, that's how that feels to me when I think about it.

If you can't consent until the age of 18.......think about it. How can you not include this into the discussion. There are two under the age of eighteen and with it being so easily available, to get info now, you have to think about your daughter practicing deep throating, so she can get a "good man" when she is ready?

It should not be illegal, huh?

 

I think 18 is an adult

your brain continues to develop all your life

 

My grandmother told me that most of her friends got married when they were 16, although she waited until she was 18. Apparently things were different several generations ago. Back then the girl required the permission of her father if she was less than 21 years of age.

I was also told a story by an old man who stayed with me for a while. When he was younger he travelled around to different parts of the country and ended up in North Carolina. At that time it wasn't what it is now, it was very backwards in that region. He met a girl and dated her for a two weeks. Then she took him home to her mother. That's when he found out she was 12 years old. He didn't realize it at the time because she looked more mature than her age, he thought she was maybe 16. The girl had 7 other siblings and the mother tried to get him to marry her. He was 18 or 19 at the time. The family was poor and the mother just wanted someone else to take care of the girl. He got out of there as fast as he could, didn't want to be trapped in a commitment.
Guessing this would have been about 60 years ago.

 

You don't have a fully developed brain until around the age of 27.

You can find similar info with a simple search.

 

We live a much longer life today. It will continue to lengthen. It's time to make changes for the betterment of our society.

 

This is idiocy and a forum violation painting a negative light of an entire political spectrum. Are you going to report yourself or shall I?

 

The brain is old enough to know that you should take protection(s) so you don't have children at that age.

I was.

What about MY body that SHE used, which was usually the case with me because of my "high demand" quality of bod back then.

We smoked pot back then too.

And mere possession was jail time.

And the "deep throating" I got was merely a gift from the grateful.

It's a well-known fact that John Lennon got more than his share of that.

Libs still believe in all the lib. things he did.

I never said that.

It was for legal me at that age.

And, for those that it wasn't, it wasn't prosecuted anyway.

But, we knew

 

You can deny whatever you want about yourself. I'm not trying to disparage you or anyone. I'm trying to make a point that no one is ready to have sex until they are old enough and financially able to take care of children. With the ability to live longer today and the progress in medicine, we don't have to worry about marrying young, or having sex at a young age. The age of consent should be moved to 27, along with the age to be married. Drink and smoke post, even kill(military) at an earlier age of 18, but move the more important things like being able to raise children or marry to a better age for our times.