Egyptian army slaughters protestors (Thread #2 )

He was Morsis man wasn't he? I don't know enough about the Generals. I do think Tahrir Square was handled better but .................... I wasn't there either time there will be stuff none of us can know.

Yes it will take a good diplomat and a strong clear and hard head will this................. but yes, he is truly the only one in any position too, how well he does we will see but I think the people do now have some say in things so slowly slowly .................. .

 

It's your job to support your claims. It's called a debate.

I paid plenty of attention. That's how I noticed the MB, including Morsi, DENOUNCE the attacks! There were not MB celebrations and you know it.

I don't care to see the unicorn. Until you show it, your claim remains bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Don't show it, and just leave the status of your nonsense claim as unsubstantiated. It's a ridiculous demand anyway. I never make wagers when I don't have money as a universal policy. It has nothing to do with my confidence. Your claim isn't proven by my certainty or not. It's proven by you showing it. Why don't you show it for the benefit of other readers. They'll read this and know you're full of (*)(*)(*)(*). Because any time people refuse/weasle out of showing their proof or answering questions it means they don't have it.

And as I recall, there's no "wager".. You didn't offer terms for me! Are you trying to scam? What do you offer me if you can't show any pictures or videos, that each one on its own clearly depicts identifiable MB as well as that they are celebrating 9/11?

EVEN IF I didn't have certainty, I would STILL want to see the proof, in order to GAIN the certainty. This childish game is ridiculous in so many ways. Now how many keystrokes beyond the effort required to show an example will you further waste in refusing to show an example?

 

I agree with what you say. Morsi was never a strongman and he was too easily led. He should have been replaced via the ballot-box. Unfortunately, Egypt strangled its baby at birth. Now it's got a junta.

 

There you go again with your democracy God/Goddess. I didn't like? It had nothing to do with me liking or not liking ................ I do my protesting on the streets of my own country not Egypts streets.

The people saw their democracy disappearing before their eyes under the Red Cloak of a Religious Inquisition and they ousted him with the help of THEIR Army.

You prefer they had waited for all Copts and others to have been disappeared and the woman too under black garbs, their girl children uneducated ect .....they should have waited for the democratic elections that would only have allowed Islamic Religious Partys to stand ?

No moon ..apart from anything else it was not Islam.

 

The Military has always been in charge ....

 

O K . then what ? who would you wish to take his place ? Morsi again ? (hehehe )

Well there are times and situations , when a nation need " butchers" to get rid of maniacs., to eliminate the evil doers .

"c'est la vie - c'est la guerre - c'est la mort"

There's no way I'm gonna increase my blood pressure over it. (wink)


vive le militaire- Every nation's only saviours against devious religiously fanatical politicians .


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Morsi is still the democratically-elected president. If democracy is worth fighting for then those who elected him will continue to fight for his reinstatement. They're losing now, granted.

 

They hold the balance between them and our spirituality?

 

Why did you underline the dozens of security personnel killed part? You're not complaining people fought back in self defense, and the snake bit back and drew blood, in a fight that these very security forces started, are you?

 

What "evil" did the people in the sit-ins that were disbursed on Wednesday do?

 

Well it obviously is worth fighting for. That is what Armies do best isn't it?

What was about to happen in Egypt? The protesters against Morsi and his supporters were about to clash ....what would you have shouted then moon? You would have said 'why isn't the Army stopping them?' Well I think they did, one step ahead ................. And I agree I am sorry for the blood shed but not sorry about the ousting of a would be/about to be Tyrant of the worst order, Religion.

 

Good Editorial in the Guardian

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...Editable trailblock - news:Position1:sublinks

That's basically it. You cannot outlaw so many of your people. You cannot give 'collective punishment' that is slaughtering your own people for actions one or two of them or even you yourself may have done.

Egypt's losing it. Everything.

I was reading yesterday that the Youth Tamarod were demanding the end of the peace deal with Israel. In the article I left earlier Israel's were thinking the Junta will have to give something to the people and she thinks she will be it. So not good for Egypt unless those who are shocked at what is happening can make their voice heard, world Isolation, apart from UAE and Saudi Arabia, fast economic decline, tourist trade shot as well as it is now with most countries telling people to keep away. and extremists everywhere and maybe civil war, may be as bad as Syria.....

 

I didn't, you have the wrong poster .............

 

Good thing, too! You live under a government that for the most part respects human rights! You'd get killed for it if you tried it in Egypt. And loads of people on the internet would brand you a maniac and a terrorist and say good riddance while asserting they have not a shred of sympathy. Not me though. I would rather you be around.

 

LOL you're right! My bad.. Please forgive!

I suppose I would redirect that question to Marlow. I thought you were quoting an article but you were quoting a poster. oops!

 

What was the massive concentration of armed government forces doing there? It was a peaceful sit-in.

Plus, a standoff is NEVER an excuse to initiate combat. The "government" forces drew first blood. You cannot blame anyone else.

Besides, if this response were reasonable, why did they shoot the cameramen dead?

 

The thing is, they aren't standing up to an Islamic government right now!!! They overthrew that government by force ages ago. They didn't need a ballot box or a crackdown. They were NOT fighting for their government. They started a bloodbath in order to stand up to peaceful protests!

 

I haven't seen an equal concern by you towards the Christian Churches that were burned by the pro Morsi followers. Nor an equal concern towards the young people who were thrown off a building by the pro Morsi followers. As for me, I prefer the army in this case, although not in all cases...after all, weren't they the ones running over Copts when they protested the burning of a church under Morsi?

 

Yeah youre right Im crazy, no one has ever seen a video of the Muslim Brotherhood members burning a US flag or cheering 9/11. Its crazy talk. I guess for MSNBC viewers it probably is.

 

We are loosing our democracy too and when protesting now one gets diverted down tiny roads and kettled for hours and hours with no loos, no water or food or shelter old young and babies in arms. Oh yer they care about people, do they f'uck.......... We are too complacent to complain or let our voices be heard in our comfy homes and with our TVs.............And we are bombarded with one thing after another so that we feel helpless and overwhelmed and but the bills must be paid and the mortgage and OH will I have a job still in a month and where is my pension, that I paid all my working life and and and ....................they have us all one way or another but we are complacent because we like what ever opium they give us, yum yum ..............

And do not tell me about my Police, I have different experiences of them than you have obviously.

But ................. of Egypt. My countries Empire and Frances Empire and Your Empire ......they of course have absolutely nothing to do with the way Egypt is run ........No of course not.


Enoch Powell on hearing of the way we had treated prisoners in Kenya

Nor can we ourselves pick and choose where and in what parts of the world we shall use this or that kind of standard. We cannot say, 'We will have African standards in Africa, Asian standards in Asia and perhaps British standards here at home'. We have not that choice to make. We must be consistent with ourselves everywhere. All Government, all influence of man upon man, rests upon opinion. What we can do in Africa, where we still govern and where we no longer govern, depends upon the opinion which is entertained of the way in which this country acts and the way in which Englishmen act. We cannot, we dare not, in Africa of all places, fall below our own highest standards in the acceptance of responsibility.

But we did, we did and do, treat people as less than people so what you are saying to me is, be thankful you are an Englishwoman and not an Arabian one because we treated you well whilst we kept them down over there..

 

Believe me - so-called "democratically elected candidates " process vary in different parts of the world.
Mugabe was recently "democratically elected " in Zimbabwe - We've all in the past heards/learnt of many leaders /dictators having been "democratically " elected. Its clear that Morsi have failed to listen to + address the complaints of roughly 50% of the population and he foolishly behaved like a granted "elected " Dictator.
To some extent I'm pleased to see that the dissatisfied 50 odd percent Egyptian people managed to win the ear of its military , for them to step in and save Egypt from a worse fate - getting rid of MB now rather than wait for the next election.

Sad fact is that in most countries the masses are easily manipulated more so perhaps in countries like Egypt with perhaps low literacy rates - where groups like MB flourish - exploiting /using their warped interpretation of a religion.


No , I do not think reinstatement of a man like Morsi would solve Egypt's political or economic problems . What is urgently needed is for Law and order to be restored - to enable law abiding citizens to carry on and overcome their present economic problems /- loss of tourism . etc.etc.

Food on the family table + security , is far more important than "democracy"


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"Unhindered by foreign press"???

How exactly could foreign press "hinder" them? All they do is film and talk into a camera!

 

Yes, I agree. Every once in a while, I also find myself on the same side as the American right, but, as you say, for completely different reasons.

No, Egyptians don't care what the Fox News crowd thinks, anymore than a Swiss shopkeeper cares who Oprah Winfrey is.

 

I forgive daft ha'pth ................. we all do it

 

The current government wasn't elected king or dictator EITHER, but they're still acting like it. In fact, they weren't elected AT ALL!

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Why don't you guys just blame Santa Claus while you're at it! You will blame EVERYONE for the chaos except for the "government" who opened fire and started the chaos!