Electric cars will waste lots and lots of water if they catch fire

You'll be fighting everyone else within driving range for that gas. More likely some big gang will take it all and only trade it for all your food. I spose you could join that gang... but I'd rather have alternative options instead of relying on someone else to provide me with gasoline.

I'll take 10 years of being able to drive over however long it takes post-apocalypse America to run out of fuel. I think it will be a matter of weeks.

And horses are a great option. But if thats what ur gonna do, start getting ready now, at least with a knowledge base. My family is a horse family. I never got into myself, but I know they're a lot of work.

 

It would be too expensive long before it runs out.

 

why would you want to drive around in a car? You can't haul anything with it

I never got into prepping. Having land with a homestead far enough away from the city would be primary, driving around in a car for whatever reason wouldn't be high on my priority list.

 

I would prefer a truck. I'm hoping something like this (but more affordible) hits the market soon. I'll put it in my Bronco.

Being self sufficient prior to economic collapse thus negating your need for a vehicle entirely would be the best option by far. But even then, **** might happen, and having a vehicle that still works years after everything falls apart could be life or death.

 

The problem with electric trucks is you can't really tow anything with it. Your range is a fraction of what it was in that situation I would think a vehicle would be used mostly for towing it hauling.

 

Not true.

True, but also true for gas-driven vehicles.

 

Yes, electric vehicles do typically have less maximum horsepower, despite having faster initial acceleration.

 

Oh, the IRONY!

There are 5.8 million hybrids and EVs using these batteries compared to a TOTAL of 276 million vehicles on the road.

There were an estimated 189,500 vehicles fires in 2019.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/377006/nmber-of-us-highway-vehicle-fires/

That means that less than 1% of all vehicles are involved in fires.

Using the assumption that 5,800 hybrids/EV's were involved in fires in 2019 that would mean that they were putting out 16 of those fires EVERY DAY.

Now can the OP explain WHY having that many fires burning for 7 hours each and every day has somehow ESCAPED the attention of the media and the general public?

You see this is what happens when you actually apply the SCIENCE of MATHEMATICS to the fearmongering anti-Green blather in the OP.

 

Really easy to set up a solar panel and/or wind generator to RECHARGE an EV if the gird is down. It even PAYS for itself in LOWER utility bills.

 

Towing capacity derives from TORQUE, not horsepower!

Electric motors produce MORE torque than ICE which is why they are used by TRAINS to pull goods.

Yet another EXAMPLE of a lack of an "understanding of science".

Sad!

 

Actually horsepower is based on the formula involving torque and rotational speed.

From Khan Academy

How does torque relate to power and energy?
There is considerable confusion between torque, power and energy. For example, the torque of an engine is sometimes incorrectly described as its 'turning power'.

Torque and energy have the same dimensions (i.e. they can be written in the same fundamental units), but they are not a measure of the same thing. They differ in that torque is a vector quantity defined only for a rotatable system.

Power however, can be calculated from torque if the rotational speed is known. In fact, the horsepower of an engine is not typically measured directly, but calculated from measured torque and rotational speed. The relationship is:

\begin{aligned} P &= \frac{\mathrm{Force} \cdot \mathrm{Distance}}{\mathrm{Time}} \\ & = \frac{\mathrm{F} \cdot 2\pi r}{t} \\ &= 2\pi \tau \omega \qquad \mathrm{(\omega~in~ revolutions/sec)} \\ &= \tau \omega \qquad \mathrm{(\omega~in~radian/sec)}\end{aligned}P=TimeForce⋅Distance=tF⋅2πr=2πτω(ω in revolutions/sec)=τω(ω in radian/sec)

Along with horsepower, the peak torque produced by a vehicle engine is an important and commonly quoted specification. Practically speaking, peak torque is relevant for generally describing how quickly a vehicle will accelerate and its ability to pull a load. Horsepower (relative to weight) on the other hand is more relevant to the maximum speed of a vehicle.
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Makes no difference who makes the decision; the fact of the matter is there a limited supply of oil left; once it's gone people can sit and point fingers at each other as to what we should have done. This cannot be denied.

 

Please tell me you don't honestly believe this.

 

“Discoveries, like resources, may well be infinite: the more we discover, the more we are able to discover.”
― Julian L. Simon, The Ultimate Resource 2

 

There is currently a 200+ year supply already discovered, the real question is the economics stability into the future, the cost of exploration, the drilling, the refining and so on, all can change in the future to make oil uneconomical long before we run out of oil.

It is INEVITABLE that Nuclear Power will make a comeback to greatly supply the forecasted significant increase in electric generation that will eventually overshadow everything else.

 

We have most likely about 20 years of economically recoverable oil left according to the article in the link.

The World Oil Supply is Infinite: I Know That Because I Believe It - Resilience

 

“Our supplies of natural resources are not limited in any economic sense. Nor does past experience give reason to expect natural resources to become more scarce. Rather, if history is any guide, natural resources will progressively become less costly, hence less scarce, and will constitute a smaller proportion of our expenses in future years.”
― Julian L. Simon

 

not like you can with a diesel vehicle no

So you don't believe there's any difference between the range of diesel powered vehicle has versus a gas powered versus an electric?

Why would they make 18 wheelers run on diesel instead of batteries? Diesel is way more expensive than electricity if it's all the same they wouldn't use diesel.

 

Well they don't handle load very well. They consume a lot more power when towing things versus a gasoline engine or even better yet a diesel engine would

 

They said similar 50 years ago......

I pointed out that it will be the high cost that stops oil drilling before we run out of oil and that will much farther into the future than 20 years from now. Julian Simon is correct in the shorter term, but in the end reality wins out because cost will inevitably increase and alternatives will come along.

 

You would need a lot of solar panels to recharge an electric vehicle. Are you going to afford $100,000 worth of solar panels why not just try 100,000 worth of kerosene it'll last longer than electric vehicle.

 

You're right. The electric vehicle will tow more and more reliably.

Never said this. Read the post carefully.

Everything is currently set up for diesel.

 

then why are diesel vehicles used to tow things and not electric vehicles?

if you don't think there's a reason everything is set up for diesel it just picked that out of the blue? Why wouldn't they change over? Is it some sort of petrochemical conspiracy?

Compression ignition also known as diesel has not been around as long as electric cars.

Reality is when you place a load near capacity on an electric car your range is drastically reduced when you place a load near capacity on a diesel vehicle vehicles range on the fuel inside the vehicle is not reduced to the same extent.

If you claim that it is I'll ask you to prove it.

 

Internal Combustion engines won most competitions in the late 19th and early 20th century. The U.S. had a tremendous amount of easy to obtain oil. The market chose them.

Because it costs a lot to change over.

I guess there might be one. Are you claiming that one exists?

So, why was the speed limit lowered to 55? An electric car conspiracy?

 

It is what it is.