Elon Musk proposals to end the war in Ukraine

- At this point in the war, it's too late to have a fair election of who wants to be part of Ukraine vs Russia. And the results wouldn't be accepted by anyone anyway.
- Crimea is being held hostage by Russia, just like the rest of mainland Ukraine.
- As far as water supplies go, Crimea is just a bunch of farmers who could be sacrificed for the greater good but who happen to be sitting on one of the world's largest supplies of natural gas, which was discovered a few years ago. It's a strategic gold mine.
- There's no way for Ukraine to remain neutral, considering how Russia declared war on them. The only way this is getting solved is for Ukraine, and any other Eastern-European nation that wants it, to have a nuclear deterrent. Russia cannot be trusted.

Those proposals are unreasonable, but we need a breakthrough at some point for this war to end. But the bigger problem in the near term is how to avoid a nuclear exchange.

In the meantime, it seems that Ukraine will continue retaking lost territory.

Russia will continue escalating the threat of using nuclear weapons. And Putin is desperate.

The leaders in the west will stand back and only funnel weapons systems to Ukraine. While making plans for containing Russia. Time is their friend.

The rest of the world will try to turn away Russians for fear that they will cause Russia to go after them next.

 

I have an idea.

Let's establish Ukraine and its cities as protected international areas and then set up most favored nation status for Ukraine and Russia. That way Russia gets its breadbasket and warm water port while Ukraine's sovereignty is internationally protected.

l'll take my Nobel Peace Prize in Volvos and Ikea Furniture as I have no confidence in Kroner,

 

Which resources of Ukraine are needed for the "West" so badly?

 

Smart or not, Elon has no political understanding! The same forces that destroyed Germany before are doing it again now. Germany has become too strong. But read for yourself....

Once the European Union was dominated by German industry using Russian gas, now it will be dominated by Poland using Norwegian gas. Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki triumphantly declared at the inauguration ceremony: "The era of Russian gas domination is coming to an end; an era that was marked by blackmail, threats and extortion. »

The act of war committed against Russia, Germany, the Netherlands and France forces us to rethink the events in Ukraine. It is much more important than what has gone before insofar as the United States has attacked its allies. I (Thierry Meyssan) have explained at length in previous articles what the Straussians were looking for with their provocations in Ukraine. What has just happened shows us why Washington, as a state, supports the Straussian project, and that its "grand strategy" has not changed since the 1950s.

In practice, the European Union will collapse economically, with the exception of Poland and its eleven Central European allies, members of the Three Seas Initiative (Intermarium).

The tide is turning. From now on, Warsaw is running ahead.

The big losers will be Western Europe and Russia, but also Ukraine, which will have been destroyed only to allow this game of massacre.

Read full article here:
https://www.voltairenet.org/article218167.html

 

Comment, sure. The Kardashians can comment, as well. But why should anyone beside a celebrity worshipper give a phuck, what he has to say? He is not a diplomat; he has no special knowledge at all, as far as I am aware, about this situation. Should we all elect him President, too, just because "he is a smart person and one of the most richest (sic) people in the world"-- as if that makes his opinion on something of this kind, more important, or more insightful than anyone else's?

Your giving his opinion so much credence suggests that either you are enamored of people with wealth, at least who you relate to, or his conceding stance towards Russia is something with which you naturally agree. But how do we know that Musk doesn't have a natural partiality for strongman leaders? Charles Lindberg was a big Nazi booster, in his day, and a top voice telling Americans that we should stay out of the war (through the America First Committee, ironically enough). He was a wealthy, accomplished, extremely successful, & famous person-- should we have listened to him, as well?

I'll trust the opinion of our elected President, thank you very much.

 

Poland better not get too important. Historically, Poland has been invaded from the east and the west. Strategically it is a big flat indefensible piece of real estate with almost no natural defenses sitting in the middle of major powers that cross it, invade it, and conquer it at will.

 

Wrong. But he does understand what chowderheads who think that Putin can be "assuaged," and then trusted, don't get: Putin's word is worthless; he will try to get away with as much as he thinks he can, and all rules of diplomacy be damned!

 

Foolish point of view, devoid of any foresight. Since Putin can always threaten nuclear war, that means, according to your brilliant reasoning, that no one should interfere, no matter how much of the world, Russia swallows up-- not even provide weapons, for any of the attacked countries. Better to live, like a coward?

 

Why, "realistically," will that be the case, when the Russian forces in Eastern Ukraine are collapsing, to the degree of Putin needing to trot out the nuclear threat? And this time, it is not to warn off NATO troops-- it's what he thinks may be needed, just to prevent total defeat by the Ukrainians! If things were going well for Russia, we wouldn't be hearing this.

 

How have WE threatened Russia with regime change? Putin is acting like a mad dog, ignoring all the diplomatic rules of the road-- but the West is at fault? IMO, any nuclear armed country whose leader threatens the use of nuclear weapons for anything other than the defense of his country's established and accepted borders, is such an extreme menace to the world, so as to justify all means, to remove that leader from power, including targeted execution!

Don't worry; though the U.S. is capable of this, it is highly doubtful that Biden would even consider such a move. On the off chance that he could be receptive to such a plan, it would only be if we could carry it out, with plausible deniability; better yet, if we could make it look like a natural death, or an accident. But we're not that good.

 

@Lil Mike

If we did "take Putin out," though, I guarantee you, we'd see an immediate, positive change in the disposition of Kim Jong-un.

 

We're spending BILLIONS defending Ukraine's borders while our own are wide open... CRAZY!

 

And what vital US national interests reside in Ukraine?

 

Did you ask a 4th grader for that peace plan?

Putin, like Hitler and the Jews, wants to kill and eliminate all Ukrainians.

 

Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, Finland, and Turkey. You give up on Ukraine, you give up on these as well.

 

Red Herring

 

Doubtworthy they will so easy. Putin's ambitions are clear, every peace treaty he signs, ist just an armistice which will be broken as soon as he sees the right opportunity. Every piece of land will be a tactical advantage in and people under his control will be his "cannon fodder" for his next move, so they should be very careful to give him time to breathe and exploit his new posessions and recovering for his next strike.

This war will be over if either the Ukraine is completely in Russian hands, its culture, language etc. eradicated from the earth or Russian's regime collapses completely. These are the only possible endings of this war, every solution in between is nothing more but a break spent in a Cold War which will get hot again as soon as either side feels confident to make a move.

 

How does that deincentivise future land grabs?

 

You trust an opinion of a person who can not behave coherently? Strange.. Are you sure that this is so called opinion is at all his opinion and not someone else who is behind him?

 

The last statement is complete nonsense.

 

Interesting feedback, Elon rec'd on his tweet. President Zelensky tweeted out his own poll, showing two of Musk's tweets, the first of which, with Elon saying he supported Ukraine, and the second, this one, in which he parrots Kremlin talking points-- for those who think this is not the case, Russia actually thanked Musk for his tweet. Anyway, in the poll, Zelensky asked, "which Elon do you like better, the one who supports Ukraine, or the one who supports Russia," and, of 400,000 respondents, it was about a 90% to 10% split.

Also, Ukraine's former foreign minister to Germany tweeted Elon a reply, but I can't write it, here:
https://twitter.com/MelnykAndrij/status/1576977000178208768?ref_src=twsrc^tfw


There were some other funny ones, suggesting things like the "Tesla- Ford Peace" in which it was proposed "that Tesla belongs to Ford from now on. After all, cars once belonged mainly to Ford. And the space part of
@elonmusk company will be decided in a referendum under the supervision of the United Nations"
https://twitter.com/CTomczyk/status/1577021866966806528?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Or this one: I just did an election in my house, from where I can see a Tesla factory, my household agrees your factory now belongs to me. I’ll be sending you the paperwork to hand it all over tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/KoenS31272685/status/1576986904766992385?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

There were educational ones, as well, like this, which explains that the Soviet Union did not merely "give" Crimea to Ukraine, but that Ukraine was forced to invest $100 million from its own budget, in the water infrastructure. https://twitter.com/AndurandPierre/status/1576973064301989890?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

This is a Ukrainian soldier, addressing Elon, from the Donetsk region:
https://twitter.com/I566upeJujnowNm/status/1577373643952242688?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

A couple more:
https://twitter.com/StZaryn/status/1577048393423421440?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

https://twitter.com/InnaSovsun/status/1576996354563665925?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

https://twitter.com/abandonedameric/status/1576994453281075200?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Some fun reading.

 

None, per se. The national interest is in standing behind a world order, in which nations swallowing up their smaller neighbors, is not tolerated. The costs of allowing this to become, once more, business as usual, are incalculable.

 

Nope.

 

The strange thing, to my mind, is your assumption that I must, necessarily, share your opinion of Biden. Well prepare to be shocked, because I do not. If you think you can absolutely, objectively prove your allegations about our President, you are welcome to have at it (but please do not make me regret, trusting that you understand the meaning of the word, "objective").

 

An opinion for sure. Which still doesn't address the complicity of mr Biden in this conflict. It is unseemly for sure, but we need as citizens to start recognizing the complicity of this president and his policies which both allowed and now allow the conflict to continue and potentially expand.