End Affirmative Action. Yes / No & Why

Sorry, don't understand the question.

 

There is no such thing as "free" college tuition... SOMEBODY has to pay -- usually taxpayers, through higher taxes of one kind or another.

Still, the public might be inclined to offer taxpayer-funded tuition for STEM degrees -- BUT -- such scholarships should be given on a completely COLOR-BLIND basis, with the decision criteria focused tightly only on human quality and student worthiness!

 

it's mostly culture, if educating children is a priority, society benefits

race and gender play no part in this....

the brain is like a muscle, use it or lose it, the body gets rid of pathways in the brain that are not used\needed as they consume energy that could be used for other things - if a child is not engaged very young it has major effects on the development of the brain imo

 

Free means publicly funded and I said all that way there's no admin nightmare deciding when and who to give scholarships too and it's color blind. Of course you still have to get into the program first and that kind of quality control might increase because of cost. Not a bad thing

 

We pay for K-12 education. Do you object to that?

 

The only people who SHOULD pay property taxes for K-12 education are people who have children! My parents paid when I went... your parents paid when you went... but someone without any kids should not have to pay exorbitant property taxes for this. You asked, and I told.

Next, you'll throw it in my face that I said, "Still, the public might be inclined to offer taxpayer-funded tuition for STEM degrees...." That is a 'maybe', and, it is only because we need more fully-educated people with STEM-oriented degrees. Simply going to 12 years of public school in the United States is largely a waste of money and time. Not even the public school teachers in this country know much of anything.... If you don't believe me, try talking to some of them. Laughable!

 

disagree, all of society benefits from an educated society

can you imagine a country where only the well off got k-12 education

 

I talk to thousands of them every year. I keynote to teachers all over the country based on my book on classroom management. Too many of them are quitting because of people like you who have no respect for them. They don’t make much money and they don’t get respect so every year we lose the best and the brightest.

 

Ha! Well, if the bunch we 'lose' are anything at all like the ones I've had conversations with over the past ten years or so, then we are well RID OF THEM!

I remember you now, Renee -- you're the big teacher and teacher union advocate. Yeah, we've sparred with each other in the past. Oh, and now you're a big advocate for REVERSE DISCRIMINATION, too...? Oh, yes -- no surprise at ALL! Chalk the hyperliberal Leftist line, right up and down. Good day to you, comrade....

 

Yeah, I've heard this "all of society benefits" lib-blather over and over and over, for decades! Acknowledged! But WHY exactly do even those who have never had children should be forced to pay as much for all this public school 'wonderfulness' as those who DO have offspring...?! I've never gotten a sensible, fair-minded answer from any liberal on THAT question... and I never will.

So, "all of society benefits"... just exactly how in the hell does anyone PROVE that...? But, hey -- they don't have to prove anything! And the public school bureaucracies thrusts their hands in EVERY property owner's pockets, no matter what....

 

I bet those teachers are saying the same thing about you! Probably rolled their eyes and laughed
And good day to you Mr. McCarthy… Have you no shame?
You’re sound a white male who had privilege all his life and is pissed off that he didn’t amount to much and blames it on affirmative action

 

I shouldn’t have to pay for national parks to be maintained because I don’t go to them. And why should my taxes go for infrastructure when I don’t go to a lot of these places? And why should my tax dollars go to inspecting food when restaurants should be able to put whatever they want in them. And my tax dollars should not go to the fire department because I’ve never had a fire and I’ll just take my chances

 

You raise a few very good questions! And, actually a lot of what you pay in admittance and other fees at national parks are used for maintenance. Infrastructure...? No, not so much. Food inspection? I have argued for years that many such "inspections" should be done by organizations that are in BUSINESS... not bureaucratic staffs of civil servants, many of whom don't do a very good job of policing the sectors they are supposed to be responsible for.

One small example: How many people who are involved in restaurants, grocery stores, and other "food services" have tattoos? Have those workers been given mandatory, periodic blood tests and other examinations for hepatitis-a, b, and c...? Are those workers tested for lymphoma cancer? How about staphylococcus aureus (MRSA)? It is estimated that 47% of Millennials have tattoos today -- how many of them now have blood-borne diseases that go completely UNDETECTED? When you went to a restaurant last night, did your server have a tattoo 'panel'...?

But, to your point... perhaps the best was to make such testing mandatory is through industry-dictated 'guidance' and self-policing.

Schools? PARENTS with offspring presently attending these schools should pay the greatest amount of tax to support public education. The next-highest tax levy should be on parents who have ever had kids in public schools. And, yes, I agree (reluctantly) that the general public at large should pay tax, too -- but only a fraction of what the other two categories pay!

Fire Departments? Yeah, we kind of all do need to pay for fire departments -- because even if you're perfectly willing to say, "Hey, just let my house burn to the ground... I ain't payin' for your services" -- your neighbors (to whom your fire could spread) might not take such a cavalier attitude about it....

Bottom line: If they're YOUR children, then they're YOUR responsibility! Your sweet, little pet poodle needs to be groomed, get wormed, and have her nails clipped... is that MY responsibility?!

 

Your reasoning doesn’t extend to “my neighbours house is not my responsibility lty”?
Education of children benefits the community. You have benefitted from public education and will continue to so do.

 

Sorry that you see dogs comparable to children.
Our children are our future! And their education strengthens us all

 

Not much to say in response, huh, Renee...? So all you can fall back on is the tired old meme of, "our children are our future", or (my favorite), the vapid "everyone benefits" regurgitation....

Well, Renee, every single day I see what your wonderous People's Public School System Education Bureaucracy has instilled in two generations of American 'students'... and I am APPALLED!

If what I've seen, particularly during the past twenty years is our "future", then, clearly, our "future" will be dictated by the ever-more-powerful, ever-more-influential Sino-Russian alliance -- throughout the Eastern Hemisphere at first, and then rapidly spilling over into the Western Hemisphere, too. With any luck, I'll be DEAD before your wonderous "educational system" completely wrecks this country's mentality and lays us open to being picked apart by our better-educated, better-organized, ambitious adversaries....

 

I have plenty to respond to but it’s kind of hard when somebody is paranoid about socialism and communism and all the other words that are sooooo scary .
You don’t like the Memes like our children are our future or everyone benefits because you do t understand the importance. It is obvious to me that you do not value education. Everything is a conspiracy and a plot
..Be afraid, be afraid, be afraid,,,the (fill in the blank) is coming!

 

I fear nothing, Renee... not even death anymore. Honestly.

Value education...? There you have me wrong! It may not be much of an accomplishment, but I did work my way through college, to a Bach. of Science degree, with honors, at the University of Texas at Austin. Then I worked my way through two major careers in life, and retired comfortably -- and I have my very real, very valuable EDUCATION to thank for a great deal of my success.

But how much success is there going to be for today's students, who cannot do 4th-grade arithmetic without a 'phone'? They have little but defective, inadequate information about nearly everything that is so important in life, and focus instead on playing with 'social media', while living at home with Mommy and Daddy, hoping for the government to give them what they need in order even to exist....

But you don't see a 'conspiracy' in any of that...? Re-read George Orwell's horrifying masterpiece, "1984", and then come back and talk to me some more.... Ah, but as an "outer-party member" apparatchik yourself, you've surely already been cultured to think of such societal 'developments' as beneficial.... Yeah, "Sic transit gloria America"....

 

I recommend everyone read 1984, this admin uses that book as their bible

 

In defense of education systems (throughout the western world), schools and teachers aren't the cause of that 20 year decline. It's the dramatic decline in parenting.

 

There is an Orwellian 'mission' afoot, for sure. I say that because there's simply no way that the continous erosion of personal responsibility can be accidental - you would have to be unbelievably stupid to not see where the enabling of helplessness leads. Remember, Progressives are the Smart Ones, so they can't have missed something so obvious that your average 10 year old could see it. Ergo, it's deliberate. Ergo, it's Orwellian.

PS: Renee is no commie, though. Like most Progressives, she's a fan of flaming capitalism

 

The MOST terrified of socialism/communism, are white western Progressives. They dread it more than most

 

Gosh I hope I’m never as cynical as you are. I read Orwell and Trump is the epitome or Orwell. I’m sorry that you have such a negative view regarding young people. You’re actually sounds like our parents who always blamed the next generation. Did you see the millions of young people all over the world rallying about the environment? I’m sure you didn’t see that is good but I sure did
My husband was a 10th grade drop out due to poverty and ended up retiring in his 40s as vice president at Smith Barney and he would be the first one to tell you that had he not been a white male he never would’ve had the opportunity
Here are some Orwellian quotes...and you can’t help seeing trump. He already has his base not believing the media and reporting
https://www.hypable.com/george-orwell-1984-quotes-facts-reality-trump/

 

Meantime, New York outlaws phrases.

Are you actually joking, when you suggest it's not the Left which is dangerously authoritarian?

 

@Renee

Please.

What Does the Question,
or more exactly

Affirmative Action​

mean to you.

Thank You