End cash bail

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Ronstar, Feb 20, 2018.

  1. bricklayer

    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's hard to believe that's what you inferred from my post.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    MOVE !!!
     
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    Bail is used to reduce over crowding in jails. It has nothing to do with justice but it should
     
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    No, I just don't take a crap in a public restroom located at city hall anymore.

    California has always had droughts. There's more than enough water in California but not for 40 million people.

    Guess what, the liberals still have the welcome mat out at the U.S./Mexican border.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is used to reduce over crowding, among other things. Primarily, it is used to allow those considered innocent to give the court assurance that they will appear for trial. It has nothing to do with justice because what is just has not yet been determined by a court of law. Everyone posting bond is considered innocent unless proved guilty.
     
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    Everyone arrested is considered innocent until proven guilty. Not everyone is given bail
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    California's net population loss would be much more dramatic if not for the illegal aliens. California is being turned into a liberal paradise populated by the very wealthy who are serviced by a stable underclass.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Under equal circumstances, everyone has equal opportunity to post bond even if they don't have equal means to post bond.
     
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    No they don't. Some are denied bail outright. Being considered innocent before being proven guilty has nothing to do with it
     
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    Not everyone presents under equal circumstances.
     
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    Bail is determined by resources of the accused, flight risk and severity of the crime
     
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    Also criminal record and risk to the public, among other factors.
     
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    Because the "safe" criminals (shoplifters, for example) and the "dangerous" ones (Murder, armed robbery, etc...) tend to be predominately some sort of minority that has a propensity to not only commit crime but also not show up to court when they're suppose to.

    Those people (the "safe" and "dangerous" ones) shouldn't even be allowed to post bail in the first place.
     
  14. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Conservatives need to stop race-baiting EVERY single ****ing thread
     
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    The purpose of bail is to try to force the person to plead out on a plea deal. For less than the most serious offenses, the person will serve less time in jail pleading guilty or no contest than waiting for trial and being found innocent.
     
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    If race has something to do with the subject and it happens to be the truth, so be it.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    race is irrelevent to this discussion.

    there are tens of millions of poor white people in the USA.

    so stop with the race-baiting garbage
     
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    Well, per capita, they have less of a propensity to commit crime.

    And they don't have ties to mexihole that they can flee to.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    more GOP bigotry exposed.
     
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    Vermont has a hybrid system. Misdemeanors are issued a court date and released. Other offenses screened, but most walk on their own recognizance. The link has the full statute.

    The Vermont Statutes Online
    Title 13: Crimes And Criminal Procedure

    Chapter 229: Bail And Recognizances

    • § 7551. Appearance bonds; generally

      (a) A bond given by a person charged with a criminal offense or by a witness in a criminal prosecution under section 6605 of this title, conditioned for the appearance of the person or witness before the court in cases where the offense is punishable by fine or imprisonment, and in appealed cases, shall be taken to the Criminal Division of the Superior Court where the prosecution is pending, and shall remain binding upon parties until discharged by the court or until sentencing. The person or witness shall appear at all required court proceedings.

      (b) No bond may be imposed at the initial appearance of a person charged with a misdemeanor if the person was cited for the offense in accordance with Rule 3 of the Vermont Rules of Criminal Procedure. This subsection shall not be construed to restrict the court's ability to impose conditions on such persons to reasonably ensure his or her appearance at future proceedings or to reasonably protect the public in accordance with section 7554 of this title. (Amended 2001, No. 124 (Adj. Sess.), § 1, eff. June 5, 2002; 2017, No. 62, § 1.)

    • https://legislature.vermont.gov/statutes/fullchapter/13/229
     
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    That's what bail bonds are for. So poor people can put up bail.

    You cannot just release people trusting they will return for trial...because lots won't.
     
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    Ray Buckley (McMartin Preschool case)
     
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    No. Chopped Liver is a flaming racist. Not the GOP.
     
  24. Ronstar

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    says who?

    jail is pretty much prison, which means we are punishing people for crimes thet have yet to be convicted for.

    unless the Judge thinks the guy is a true danger and must be kept in jail, let them go till trial.
     
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    Why not use an electronic monitoring bracelet or anklet to ensure someone shows up for trial if they're not dangerous?
     
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