'Enemy of the people'

Since that's not true, I'm more worried about what they can make people like you believe.

 

Checks in the mail

 

Ford's has likely been cashed.

 

This is my point exactly. It would break your tongue in half to give any credit to Trump. If he had record low unemployment you would be screaming it from the rafters. Historical lows in Black, Hispanic, and women unemployment and you don't know why or how much could be attributed to Trump. How about we just use the last numbers of Obama and work from there. For 40 years we have given billions upon billions to NK and now we are worse off?

How do you expect to have another person listen to your ideas if you won't even acknowledge the obvious. Do you plan to just lie about Trump over and over and expect to find common ground or are you one of those who just wants a fight? Pretty simple really.

 

Again, If you refuse to recognize obvious facts of what this government was doing, then you are either well misinformed or agree with that kind of government. If that is what you are looking for why are you here in the first place.

 

You should calm down because now you're not making much sense. I gave Trump a nod to tout the low unemployment. If there is low unemployment it goes across all racial lines so I don't know the point of pointing out race. Do they have different statistics?
Really, we've given billions to NK? How does that work? There were double secret talks all these years and we have been propping up the country? Have you watched the news lately? NK nuke program is doing just fine.
One of us is lying over and over about Trump and I can absolutely assure you it's not me.

 

I'm here to point out that you and people like you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

This is the difference I am talking about. Clinton signed an agreement in October 1994. This involved lifting sanctions in exchange for aid in the form of 500,000 tons of oil a year ( I don't even have a number on how much money that entails) and $4 billion toward the construction of a light-water reactor capable of producing nuclear energy. How stupid was that? The deal was never fully implemented and, despite several rounds of talks with the U.S., North Korea restarted its nuclear weapons program. By 2003 the deal was completely abandoned when North Korea admitted having a clandestine program to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons.

Another agreement was signed in 2005 in which Pyongyang pledged to scrap its nuclear program in exchange for economic and energy aid. That deal finally unraveled in 2008, NK got 1.3 billion in aid, and the development of weapons continued. All the missile test launches happened after we stopped doing diplomacy with them, after we stopped giving aid.

Trump has been advocating “tough” solutions since 2013. At the time, he also repeatedly questioned South Korea's financial compensation for America's engagement in the peninsula. We send our carrier group to NK with flights down its coast. The missile launch program stopped. Kim sends home 3 American hostages, participates in the South Korea Olympics, Kim holds meetings with South Korea, and has a meeting with Trump and gets Kim to sign the denuclearization agreement in front of the world all being historical first.

Trump has reversed policies on NK with sanctions instead of payments and a threat of force instead of agreements to denuclearize NK. Do I think NK is being honest about their missile program, Absolutely not, but Trump has solidified support globally by Kims written agreement to denuclearize if we have to force the issue.

All that is heard from the left is nothing is happening and Trump legitimized Kim when it was the lefts policies that got us here in the first place. So you are either an advocate for business as usual or Trump is on the right path. I missed the part from you as to how we got here in the first place but what I did hear was your meager assessments of anything Trump has accomplished.

Trumps involvement with NK is a huge departure from business as usual since business as usual is obviously a historical failure. If the left gave credit where its due you would find more advocates but your responses are exactly what has been programmed by the left since Trump took office.

 

With nothing to back up your statements that's just a huge word salad.
You've already stated Trumps "accomplishments" with NK so it wasn't necessary to repeat them. They are still empty.
Let's be very clear. Trump got Kim to sign and agreement that he had to nothing to comply with. They never agreed to denuclearize, and they won't. I don't know why you think that was the deal that was made. It was a PR stunt. That's all.
So go ahead and beat that drum all you want but the only ones dancing to the beat........well, actually, no one is dancing to that song.

 

Nothing to back up my statements? They never signed a denuclearization agreement? My claims are empy?
This is why the adults are in charge. It appears you can't even google search our history with NK and you have no clue what they signed.

Trump and Pence, No, No No, No no no no no no no. There you go, Does that make you feel better?

 

I've given you numerous chances to back up your claims with evidence and you still haven't. I would also point out that the adults are not in charge. It's rumored that there are some in the room but, in charge.......no.
When is the denuclearization to be done?

 

I am not sure why you have a such difficult time finding the history between the US and NK but here is one of hundreds of sites that will give you a complete rundown on US involvement.

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron

 

Seriously, do you pay attention to what you write? I don't have any trouble finding history but what you haven't provided is when all this money was given to NK like you claimed.
As far as denuclearization this is from your link " Kim also committed to "work toward complete denuclearization on the Korean peninsula" . So what I gather from you is that you believe that this is a done deal. YEA TRUMP!! but here's the thing "work toward". Do you know what that mean? It means that they aren't going to do a damn thing.

 

It fascinates me this is so hard for you to find. Links below

Clinton’s administration successfully established a deal known as the Joint Framework Agreement which offered $4 billion worth of nuclear, energy, economic and diplomatic benefits in exchange for the halting of North Korea’s nuclear program in 1994.

The United States provided energy funds of $549.7 million in two chunks to North Korea, one between 1995 and 2003, another between 2007 and 2009. From the context of his remark, it seems Trump was talking about the first stream under Clinton.

The Congressional Research Service, a nonpartisan arm of Congress, reported that between 1995 and 2008, the United States provided North Korea with over $1.3 billion in assistance.

CRS reported that "slightly more than 50 percent for food aid and about 40 percent for energy assistance." The funding was distributed from the end of Bill Clinton’s first term to the final year of George W. Bush. $666 million were given during the Clinton administration.

The two light-water nuclear reactors were never built. The United States nonetheless provided North Korea $400 million in heavy fuel oil until 2003. The money was distributed by the Korean Peninsula Energy Development Organization

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...obama-past-presidents-20170810-htmlstory.html

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...p/bill-clinton-north-korea-3-billion-nuclear/

I never said anything about Trumps agreement being a done deal. What I said was he has an opposite stance. Threatening military force, No money, sanctions against NK and a signed agreement. If Kim decides to stick his nose up at Trump he does it at his own peril. Trump will sanction and blockade NK and starve them out and if Kim launches a missile Trump will respond and he will gain global support because Kim knowingly lied on the agreement as per usual.

 

Your argument is ridiculous. You put a dollar amount on aid given and think it's cold hard cash that was given. Clinton and Bush didn't have to threaten with the military because, like now, it's a no brainer. Trump will not get global support because of his lack of respect for the rest of the world. He says "US first" and they will say "Go ahead, your on your own." The US will look like the bully it's leader is. To be clear
Threatening military force - Only Trump thinks it's necessary to state the obvious
No money - we didn't give them cash
sanctions against NK - we have always done that
and a signed agreement - well, that changes everything
Kim decides to stick his nose up at Trump - wake up pal, he is.

 

It's almost like he says whatever he feels like saying in order to satisfy his giant ego & rile people up!