Energy Saving Light Bulbs Are Poisonous To the Brain, Nervous System, Liver, Kidneys

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  1. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    LED bulbs don't contain mercury. Fluorescent bulbs contain mercury and they don't explode. They can be broken but they don't explode. We can also note that the mercury from all of broken fluorescent bulbs in history is insignificant when compared to the mercury being put into the air by coal fired powerplants which are by far and away the greatest source of mercury pollution in the United States.

    If there is actual concern about mercury poisoning then the focus needs to be on shutting down the coal fired powerplants because they're the primary source of the mercury pollution in the United States. When people breath near a coal fired powerplant they're inhaling more mercury than they'll ever be exposed to by using fluorescent light bulbs.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    HOAX

    http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/cflbulb.asp
     
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    So what, it was passed with a veto proof majority. It was a Democrat bill and doesn't change the fact the liberals insist on solar panels with their huge environmental impact.
     
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    You are making too much fuss for nothing.

    We have been using the same bulbs in greater size for decades in the US and nobody became such an alarmist.

    The 20Watts, 30Watts, 40Watts, and so forth, fluorescent tubes have been used in business, factories, house garages, gardens, etc. for many years.

    The amount of mercury in those tubes is even greater than the amount of mercury found in those small energy saver light bulbs.

    Just avoid to break them, that's all.
     
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    Their cost is fairly cheap now. I don't like them because it takes time for them to go to full brightness, so I just got a bunch of LED bulbs that were on sale at Home Depot and Costco since even those are going down greatly in price from when they started. I'm quite satisfied with the monthly electricity bill.
     
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    well not to suggest LED's don't last longer, in theory they should, but do you have those new LED street lights in your city... we do... almost every single one thats been replaced the last few years, has dozens of failed LED's on it... so there is a lot of reality to demonstrate that its not exactly a perfected science yet either... clearly they still can't make street lights that don't have many missing LED's for who knows how many various different reasons... just saying, its a real world example of proof, not to say all LED's are like it, but it goes to support the argument they have their own issues as well... they should have zero failed lights after only a couple years...
     
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    I agree they are still perfecting the technology on high intensity applications like car headlights and street lights, but they're definitely making progress. High intensity (hand held) spotlights are not available for a reasonable price and I'm starting to see LED auto headlamps that are working well, though I have not not tried the latter personally.
     
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    this is not a hoax simply because "snopes" decided to claim it as one... did you not see the youtube video of the guy who had a fire as a result... he's not making that up just to damn CFL bulbs... and did you not read the NATIONAL RECALL on certain CFL bulbs that were prone to doing this exact same thing?!?!?!

    damn does nobody believe anythign but internet editorial websites now... go to the governments own recall of them...

    stop listening to snopes and start reading the facts... they recalled millions of bulbs for this very issue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    P.S. will you take consumer reports over snopes? or let me guess, snopes is the holy grail of proof in your life?

    http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/2011/august/recalls-and-safety-alerts/bulbs-pose-fire-hazard/index.htm

    P.S.S. okay how about the government mandates recall after fires were started...

    http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Recalls/2011/Trisonic-Compact-Fluorescent-Light-Bulbs-Recalled-Due-To-Fire-Hazard/
     
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    when I think of LED's I also think of those early cadillacs that were the first ot adopt them as tail lights... and you would see those cadillacs rolling down the road with burnt out LED's on back every time they hit the brakes... always made me wonder when mine would start to fail... anyhow, I'm just showing real world examples where LED's that should never have needed to be replaced, have a very clear need to be replaced because they failed... so they are nowhere near perfect replacements or without issues as others have mentioned needing to replace a VERY expensive bulb... the ones I was looking at, were around $25 compared to the 99 cent ones... thats a lot of money for something that may or may not fail when its never supposed to within the rest of my lifetime...
     
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    I've had a set on my motorcycle for a few years now and they're still going strong.

    On Amazon a 6 pack of LEDs is $20 versus incandescents $7 for 4 so the price differential is closing. LEDs also use about 1/6th the power.
     
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    Why should the federal government be telling us what type of bulbs to use?
     
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    Lower energy consumption means less dependency on foreign oil and less pollution.
     
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    yeah yeah I get the hype save energy the planet is wonderful... but they only cost 40 cents a pop at my local store, and I checked the web to make sure I wasn't out of line, found a website you can buy them for 40 cents... but like I said before, after that burning incident and worrying I would lose my property, I'll stick to good old bulbs rather than roll the dice while other people perfect it with their issues... I'm doing more than my fair share with a 50 foot tower turbine, I'm sure mother earth will forgive me for not changing the bulb seeing as how she created the energy its using... and I'm not using all sorts of extra energy and emissions to make the LEDs over incandescent...

    see thats the other funny thing people never seem to add up... the extra energy required to make the newer bulbs, the extra energy it takes to recycle those bulbs, what little can be, versus the others... so while you may pay more up front and over time energy prices get you ahead slightly... you still polluted more... its like people who buy a Prius because its so eco friendly, and then drive it $15000 miles a year, and we calculate the total emissions to build it and drive it over that lifetime... and it's far more polluting than buying that Corolla that was $10,000 cheaper but far far more efficiently made... thats why I love "green" debates... people only look at one slice of the pie that works in their favor, they forgot the other 7 slices...
     
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    Perhaps General Electric?

    Yeah, democrats don't use regulations for crony capitalism tho right?

    What bulbs do you have that aren't GE?
     
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    out of curiosity... how much oil is used to create an LED light bulb versus an incandescent bulb... and how much oil is used to create electricity? does anyone still use oil to create electricity?
     
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    Being naturally occurring doesn't make things safe. Arsenic, deadly nightshade, mercury, Ebola are all naturally occurring.
     
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    LEDs do offer significant power consumption savings over incandescents -- they use somewhere around 1/6th the power. I'd be surprised if the additional energy/resources to make them, if any, would cancel out that fact. Do you have any reliable evidence for that proposition?
     
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    http://www.wnd.com/2007/12/45156/

    "President Bush signed the 822-page measure into law today after it was sent up Pennsylvania Avenue in a Toyota Prius hybrid vehicle. The House passed the bill by a 314-100 vote after approval by the Senate last week. "

    seems it was bipartisan to me....

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    I'm not sure, but I'm not aware that GE is a big player in the LED market. Do you have evidence that that is the case?
     
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    I agree.
     
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    LED auto lamps are fast becoming the industry norm, and LED's are the fast growth area in commercial construction as well.

    I just bought a couple of LED flashlights. Not only do they give better and whiter light than my old battery operated incandescent flashlights do, but I can throw them in a draw for a few months and still expect them to work the next time I need them.

    I just paid less than ten dollars for 3, 60 watt LED bulbs. The package indicates that they should have a 22 year life cycle Given that's at 3 hours a day (which works out to 1095 hours a year, which is about the TOTAL life cycle of the same incandescent bulb). Thus, the cost of these bulbs will work out to half the life cycle cost of the old incandescent bulbs it will replace.

    Add to that the electric cost drops by half, and factor in that I won't have to climb up to replace the overhead bulb for 22 years, it looks like a pretty good deal.

    Maybe the survivalists and the backward looking types who ran out to stock up on incandescent bulbs will store them next to the generator they bought for Y2K or the duct tape they bought to insulate themeselves against non existant chemical weapons attacks from the non existant Iraqi drones Fox told them that Sadaam was going to unleash on them. Of course they'll have to make room among the guns, gold coins and canned goods they're storing too!
     
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    They shouldn't. The marketplace should.
     
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    LED flashlights have been superior for years now. Because of their far lower power draw, they can be effectively used in much smaller applications. I love the LED head lamps (i.e. the kind you strap on your head) that gives you hands free night vision.

    In battery powered applications (i.e. flashlights, boats, cars) the debate is pretty much over.
     
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    We use almost no oil to produce electricity. Lower energy consumption has nothing to do with foreign oil.
     

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