Equality: The Ultimate Arrogance Of Man

Yet it's the system you love deeply, and can't live without.

 

All cultures can live without capitalism. None can live without socialism.

 

Thus validating the trite but true adage, when you have no more rational argument throw out a few insults.

 

You have to step outside the universe. Utopia will never happen in our universe.

 

I think that humans tend towards some form of capitalism in their trade of goods. The idea that each individual can "own" something is natural IMO. It is the unrestrained and immoral form of capitalism that causes the problems.

 

You miss the entire point. You are way too simplistic.
Libs don't expect equality. They expect equality of RESPECT for all circumstances and help for those who are unable to compete due to circumstances beyond their control.
And they expect a level playing field, not one corrupted from the beginning.

 

Capitalism is an inherently natural economic system. Socialism is a man-made construct. Leave any culture with individual liberties alone, you will have capitalism.

 

Utopians do not want a perfect society. That is just a foil. Utopians want power and authority.

 

Yes, good, excellent. Just carry on now as you were.

 

They seem to be the ultimate control freaks.

 

Oh sure .. you can LIVE with state socialism, but your life won't look anything like the life you have now.

Which brings us back to the fact that actual lived socialism (as opposed to state socialism) is available to you right now, yet you don't do it. How are you living without it, since you say none can? Is it because you quite like your capitalist lifestyle?

 

Yep. All just marketing ploy.

 

No, they don't. They NEVER check to ensure 'circumstances' have arisen through no fault of the individual. That's the very last thing they'll ever do, because their only interest is keeping up appearances - damn the impact on the victims of that leverage. They rob the genuine and enable the abuser.

When everyone is treated as equals - ie judged solely on merit - the playing field is the most level it can possibly be.

 

Remember that respect is earned, and that there are levels of respect.

I show basic human dignity respect to all individuals, and usually get the same back in return.

As you get to know a stranger a little bit better, the respect can grow into something more, OR respect can be lost based upon new things you learn about the stranger.

 

This almost has to be true. The problem with discussing it (particularly with Americans) is that they do not understand what Socialism is. They have been brainwashed with generations of nightmare scenarios of Stalinistic Gulags and McCarthyistic "reds under every bed". Americans have been indoctrinated with full-blown extremism ... literally everything is expressed in 'far right' or 'far left' and that is why the slightest criticism of the US is labeled "hate".

 

Socialists don't even know what socialism is. Brainwashed, or not, the end result of socialism is mass poverty and totalitarianism, for they have no theory of wealth creation and thus have no idea how to create economic growth and prosperity. Once the existing wealth is consumed, it's all downhill from there.

 

No, that's not why.

The reason is because genuine collectivism cannot exist at a state level, without force. That's because few will ever volunteer for it. And I might add that if it feels anything like your current first world capitalist lifestyle, it ain't genuine collectivism.

 

When you discover the difference between socialism and your wired understanding of communism, you will understand that wealth comes from labour. Which is never "consumed".

 

There's no difference between socialism and communism. They're just different names for collectivism.

 

Thank you. All you've done here is prove what I said about Americans not understanding what Socialism is.

 

Much truth in what you say in that in the final analysis most wealth is produced by labor -- excluding the paper and digital bits wealth created in minds. But the genesis is almost always ideas of a few individuals who end up directing the labor.

 

Much truth in what you say in that in the final analysis most wealth is produced by labor -- excluding the paper and digital bits wealth created in minds. But the genesis is almost always ideas of a few individuals who end up directing the labor.

 

It is a fallacy to think directing a company of labour is not work.
And mental effort is also work, as are all creative arts. They all are worth rewarding.

 

True

 

So, either it cannot be truly understood, which is why no socialist, American or otherwise, can give a clear answer to what it is, or you hold some false belief about socialism and so no one really understands what is going on inside your head.