Eric Trump reveals HE told Donald FBI raided Mar-a-Lago: Ex-President's son claims agents 'ransacked

What do you say is the power to declassify?
Is there a criminal statute saying so? And what are the consequences of doing so irregularly?

 

Your basically saying Garland should ensure that Trump is guilty, before lauching an investigation

Although you said Trump should be punished if he is found guilty, you're using abject and inflammatory rhetorics aiming at impeding the normal course of justice. There is a word for that attitude: hypocrisy.

 

We have something better than that. We have a constitution and the SCOTUS who has ruled that a president can declassify documents at will and no congress can interfere with that power.

The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...resident-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/

 

You might be wrong here: one of his aides is reported to have heard him clearly say ABRACADABRA.

 

Funny, thats exactly what the constitution prescribes. Garland better have an affidavit making an official claim of a criminal act and recovered the evidence of such.
If he doesn't, you will be watching the demise of the Democrat party. More than you are right now.

 

As they should. But I certainly agree that they shouldn't have taken them in the first place.

I hope they were duly punished for that. Not too sure they were though.

 

No, I think the affidavit should describe the elements in the investigation that lead the DoJ to seriously suspect he his guilty, and, hence, justify the actions that are requested.

 

An affidavit is a written statement confirmed by oath or affirmation by an individual to the court.
To have a legal search warrant you need to have an affidavit by someone affirming a crime has been committed, specifying what the crime is.

 

you go through the proper channels and request them

 

Has to prove? Mmmmm, not sure Trump has the burden of proof here, though if the government puts on a strong case, and I don't see how they can, since the declassification rules are murky to non-existent, it might be prudent for him or other witnesses to address that.

The rule of lenity, also called the rule of strict construction, is a principle of criminal statutory interpretation that requires a court to apply any unclear or ambiguous law in the manner that is most favorable to the defendant.

You can safely assume the judge and Trump's defense and appellate lawyers know all about the rule of lenity, even if the lynch mob here does not.

 

I don't know anything about the power to declassify. I'm merely saying that there is no unequivocal interpretation of the SCOTUS rule that has been repeatedly referred to in this thread.

 

Do you have proof Trump declassified those documents before he left the white house?

 

Don't need it. Its not up to Trump to prove anything.
Its up to the prosecution to prove he didn't.
How are you going to prove Trump didn't say the words? lol

 

OK; if you have a link showing that this is the official definition, I'll gladly accept it.

 

Well, that answers the question of how he does it........

Always a showman...

 

JFC comprehension is fundamental

Nobody is debating the presidents authority yo declassify! But showing their is a process that has to be followed

FFS

 

First of all, the documents still had the classified words on them. Second, Trump's own lawyer signed a statement saying all classified material had been returned, indicating that Trump indeed held classified material at his residence. Why is the lawyer saying all classified material had been returned, when Trump says there was a standing order that everything was declassified.

Why didn't Trump just say all of it was declassified previously when they met again in June???? He could have saved us all the trouble and theatrics but instead wanted to play the victim.

 

AFTER he follows the process

Why are you being obtuse ? Oh yeah, cause you got caught …

 

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Have a nice day in rightwinglandia

The POTUS cannot just declassify things and not let the ancillary agencies know what he has declassified.

You guys are laughably transparent in your partisianship. You went from “Lock her up” to “declassifying is no big deal” and “national security doesnt really matter because the orange guy says so”

 

Your post are cute and all but they really don't address the SCOTUS or the Constitution. DO they.

The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...resident-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/

 

exactly!!!......finally......some basic and common sense questions tat no one has addressed...........as they got all tangled up in the classified/ declassified issue........ as if that is the most relevant thing. The most relevant issues are:

Why did he take them.......

What was he going to do with them??

Why did he not return them ALL when first requested to do so??

Why all the delay tactics??..............and spin until it reached the search warrant level ??



He was granted every courtesy to return the documents quietly........and none of this drama would have happened..

Why be so deceptive?? (apart from the fact that this is his nature)Creating chaos is part of his nature too.

 

Hey Freedom 8! Long time, no see (that is, no post). I do believe that Condor 060 is correct about this. The one, rather important, thing he leaves out, is that one must still be president, in order to change document security classifications. So, if there is no record of it happening, it puts us in a sticky situation, as to whether or not the former President's word, after the fact, should be sufficient evidence, to go upon.

 

Not true. There is more than one system of classification.

Not Even the President Can Declassify Nuclear Secrets
...And third, there are certain materials that presidents cannot classify and declassify at will. One such category of material is the identity of spies. Another is nuclear secrets. The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 produced an even stranger category of classified knowledge. Anything related to the production or use of nuclear weapons and nuclear power is inherently classified, and Trump could utter whatever words he pleased yet still be in possession of classified material. Where are our nuclear warheads? What tricks have we developed to make sure they work? This information is “born secret” no matter who produces it. The restrictions on documents of this type are incredibly tight. In the unlikely event that Trump came up with a new way to enrich uranium, and scribbled it on a cocktail napkin poolside at Mar-a-Lago early this year, that napkin would instantly have become a classified document subject to various controls and procedures, and possibly illegal for the former president to possess.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...fbi-raid-classified-nuclear-documents/671119/

 

I highly recommend people watch Andrew Napolitano Judging Freedom on YouTube. He explains in plain English how all of this work. There’s no editorializing, just the facts, mam.

 

Good points........

so is there any record of the documents all being declassified.??

I hope these questions will be answered in time....