EUROPES EARTHQUAKE By Steven Hill in Social Europe Journal It's finally happening folks! Not to mention that numerous proposals are in the pipeline to create a common European army at last! One thing that also has been left unspoken is the answer on the British question. We have reached the point on which we must say "adieu" to our British brothers and sisters... until they decide they are all-in, or not in at all. This will be decided in the next five years orso...
I hope it won't take that long. The question is on the agenda here as never before. MPs are taking a vote in parliament tomorrow about the government's agreement to increase the UK contribution to the EU budget in line with inflation. The EU of course wants more. Why does the EU want such an increase when its member states are trying to cut their debts? Why no austerity for the EU? Just asking.
Just asking? What does ya mean? Who is EU? Who is me and who is you? All member states are EU and all EU is austerity now... Btw, you incidentally know that UK happens to be a part of a planet somewhere called Planet Earth which all is in crisis right now? Postponed integration = prolonged austerity/more debt split between your net contributors. More integration = no budget ever cut again by a cent: 1 European budget, 1 debt DIVIDED BY ALL EUROPE. All money Germany, France and UK gave to Europe from their own pockets becomes theirs again. Solution to the crisis... simplest math. Only that some need to slow time down to take the longest possible route just to reach everyone's conclusion & end up losing more than they were desperately trying to save initially. Stay alone, out of the EU and risk getting like high tech Japan who owes 205.5% of its GDP.
... I don't agree with all European debt being collectivized... To a certain extent, yes. But I don't think it is a sign of fairness that a Greek or Spaniard should have the same benefits as a German or Belgian chap, when Spanish and Greek politicians decided to rule their countries into the ground (...) -- with the support of the electorate. Why should someone work hard, for other people to be plucking the fruits of their labor?
Because the single currency can't function unless all European debt is collectivised, so the German and Belgian chaps and Dutch and British and the other net contributors had better get used to it.
Is anyone else concerned about the overcentralisation of power? Don't we already have NATO and a UN peacekeeping army? I don't see how a common European army is a good thing. If we do have one, I really hope it remains small and all the individual nations still maintain their own separate military forces. Besides, is a common European military force really practical and realistic? Not everyone speaks the same same language, you know, and many europeans only speak passing english. How exactly is such an army going to work? Are they only going to recruit those who can speak flawless english? Rather ironic, since the english seem so reluctant to get involved militarily, isn't it? Or will german be the common language? I don't think the french will be able to accept that. Why is more unification being pushed on us? Is the USA really such a wonderful country that we all want to emulate their federalist system? Even at this very moment, many voters, and even some state governments, are very concerned about the overreach of their centralised federal government, and want to take more powers away from the central government to return it back to the states and other local governments.
This topic would have made sense 15 years ago but now that Scotland and Catalonia are seeking independence and Flanders wants to split it is nonsense. I refuse to be ruled by barbarians who do not speak proper Greek.
Then what do you want to be different than it is now? With this you either go through to the end or don't go at all. Lol, it is you Germans who convinced Greece to stay in the Euro Zone which was the correct way. A shared legislation means they will pay back the same GDP and taxes that Germans pay. So why worry? That will make up the difference. The scarce resources of their rocky terrain will not matter anymore. The fruits of your labor will also be the fruits of their labor. Labor forces combined together mean even bigger fruits. That's why Europe wants to make this change, so that people can truly work together and share what each has best (i.e. the Germans', Austrians', Finnish's, Dutch's talent at managing euros. Put controversial Germany aside and look at the other 3 examples. None's got a national debt above 20% its GDP.
No. Ever thought that same language platoons can be made? Ever thought special cases can be trained by the same standards so they can fight as brothers without much speaking? When a squad force acts against an occupied building they don't debate, they communicate through universal or encoded (specific to their unit) military signs -ever heard of this? - and this is how we discover the fire and the wheel. Even with those mixed platoons/companies soldiers don't need to explain their lives to each other, their knowledge doesn't matter but their commanders' and officers' who usually speak languages and know a lot of stuff and can ensure communication between units in decision making. Who wants to clone America? It's just to use broad principles of that more efficient legislation system. Europe will have its own even richer way. Show me where you found those articles and people who say that (apart from DonGlock).
Scotland indeed is seeking independence, not from the EU but from London: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyZggGE66z4&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLZ-WQxZFOYjggN3AyaONMXQ Catalonia is a rare exception for this hour and the Flanders is just teasing those around themselves a bit.
If Scotland votes to leave the UK, it won't be a member of the EU either. It would have to apply for membership like any other state and it's been made clear to Scotland that this would not be a quick process. It would seem the EU doesn't want Scotland to unsettle Catalonia and Flanders any more than they already are.
Yea that's likely one of the reasons. It could make it sound, to some, that EU encourages separatism. And probably another reason for such caution is that they don't want to risk the more fragile relations with London, so that London might later speculate that it was the EU that encouraged separation of the Kingdom to 'more easily force' further integration.
Who's "London"? London is a place, not a person or people, and therefore it does not have "relations". Do you mean the UK government?
The EU is jobs for the boys. It is built on corruption and lives breaths sleeps eats and (*)(*)(*)(*)s corruption. That is above and beyond all other arguments the most important and the one no body speaks of. A Federation would be a bureaucratic Dictatorship but who the Dictator would be would be kept a secret ....It is a nightmare
Really? I suspect you have been listening to the propaganda version. http://newsnetscotland.com/index.ph...f-european-commission-on-catalan-independence http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/referendum/6159-scotland-still-in-eu-after-independence
OK. It looks like it's not cut and dried, though the water around this seems to get muddier the more you read about it. However, the European Commission has apparently said that it will give its opinion on the matter if asked on the "legal consequences". The UK govt has not asked and the Scottish govt has not asked it to. You'd think they'd both want to know. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-20160841 Perhaps I support 'many European politicians' after all!
A real argument is when you have some evidence/proof or hard facts that hint directly towards your claim. Come on tell me of some trials, of some cases open against high profile EU politicians. What journalists say is not a provable fact (especially in England they are champion brain washers for the population). What INTERNATIONAL LEGAL BODIES say is a provable fact because true, official indictments and condemnations are always based on facts. Tell me of any state president or government that accused the EU of corruption (except Iran and likewise) Any non-official accusation is a cheap tabloid-like manifestation.
One of the reasons, that you neglect to mention, that Scotland is now seeking independence from the UK again is that the UK has been drawing closer to the EU. Scotland no more wants to be a part of the EU than it does a part of the UK. The urgency to break away from the UK has been because of the fear Scotland will be pulled further into an expanding grip of EU power. Unfortunately the Scottish conservative Party leadership has been feigning the desire of separatism to draw votes and popular support from the voting masses.
Not sure what you are on about here. 1. The only reason there is going to be a vote on Independence in Scotland now is because the SNP have a majority in Parliament. Indeed with the current uncertainties in the world, now might well not be their first choice of time. 2. Westminster shows no signs of drawing closer to the EU at the moment - far from it. I see a growing move towards the UK as it currently is leaving. Where are you getting this from? Scotland wants her own voice in the EU. She has not been happy with the way Westminster has not looked after and fought for her needs. Scotland's own position re the EU would be decided after she voted for Independence. People have different opinions on it. The EU is I think going to change a great deal. There are things which need to change - wasting of money and issues of democracy being two. My guess at the moment would be that an Independent Scotland would want to stay in the EU while rUK may well leave but this is a time of change and we need to see how that change will go and people need to get educated about all the issues. The Scottish Conservative Party is against Independence.
David Cameron has done lots of posturing, but it will be business as usual in Brussels. High ranking English politicians no more want to leave the EU any more than Salmond does. Incidentally, one of the reasons given for making greater contributions to the EU budget was to increase the strength of our voice! It didn't help much when we can still be easily outvoted, but maybe Scotland will manage its even smaller voice to better effect.
