Even if everything went right under Trump, I still wouldn't vote for him

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Balto, Dec 19, 2017.

  1. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    That's your idea, but... sans an argument, it's just personal opinion. So why bother telling us your opinion?
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    People who've taken an oath to support and defend our Constitution know what I mean. Those that haven't won't understand. You know, like you, belch.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't try to say what I'm thinking or put words in my mouth that I never said.

    Next time quote me so I don't have to repeat myself.
     
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    Belch Well-Known Member

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    an oath is one thing, but behavior is another.
     
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    navigator2 Banned

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    Ho ho ho. We can get his reindeer to send you to Venezuela for Christmas.


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    gc17 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Morality in your case(election) would be to stay home or vote 3rd party, after all the lesser evil 'Hillary' was actually the more evil rigging the primaries over poor ol Bernie. You should have been livid and did anything you could (legally) to make sure Evil Hillary lost. Thank heavens the American electorate did it for you.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're the one who claims thousands of agents and managers are too ****ing stupid to know their leaders are traitors....but that you're smarter than all of them and can see right through the plot. GMAFB
     
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    Actually quote me saying that ?
     
  9. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    Note how many industrialized countries have single-payer healthcare, including much of the EU. Venezuela is a poor example, not only are they low on resources but you are talking about a country the size of Michigan. How about Finland, how about Denmark (which, reportedly the Danish are the happiest in the world), constantly blaming Venezuela when you got so many other countries offering the same type of healthcare are not considered socialist beacons is tiring.
     
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    Balto Well-Known Member

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    At the time, that wasn't known. Because of the weakness the third party exhibits on a national scale, a third party vote would be like trying to put fire out with fire.
     
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    But but but Bernie??? I was using your choice of politicians for examples. I really don't need to go to the Bernie quotes about Venezuela now do I? o_O
     
  12. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    I'm not upset over that. Regardless of what Trump's elected title might be, I still always refer to him as simply Trump or Donald Trump. I'm not grieving over the loss of any candidate. What I'm hoping is for the entire autopsy of whatever happened last year to come out. That meeting at Trump Tower we all know about, the exchange of emails, what Russia did and didn't do in terms of communicating with WikiLeaks, that's what I want. Answers, just like how Donna Brazille finally came clean. I hope Republicans have the decency to let the Mueller investigation did, as Dems did with a Democratic WH and Senate when the Benghazi hearings were going on. This whole thing over Uranium One or Christopher Steele or Lisa Page really must be embarrassing for Republicans who care about law and order. I said it the day after election day, and I will continue to say it. When emotion votes, you get someone like Trump. Not logic voting, not common sense voting, but sheer emotion voting and emotion only. The same people who chanted, "Lock Her Up!" yet are silent on Trump requesting Comey to drop the investigation on Flynn.
     
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    Balto Well-Known Member

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    Do me a favor, and look up the definition of liberalism then do the same with progressivism. The only relation they have mutually is that they are tied at the hip of the Democratic Party. Hillary is a liberal, I am a progressive. I would like for the story of how Christopher Columbus stole land from Native Americans thus the real founding of Americans to be told, Columbus one of the largest thieves in human history, but I guess we can't all get what we want. Conservatives and futurism are strangers, and futurism is what will push America forward. The problem with certain industries being allowed to take advantage of the public sector, like insurance, is they can jack up their prices then pin it on competition, the market, etc. Insurance and pharma are two industries that need to forever be watched by the government. That includes home and auto insurance too. Sanders was going to start making these companies pay their fair share.

    It would be wise for conservatives to understand it is immigration law that is not only outdated, but crooked. And its following that outdated and crooked law that's causing this chaos.
     
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    Balto Well-Known Member

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    Regardless, it would be wise to do some due diligence on other countries that employ single-payer, instead of focusing squarely on Venezuela.
     
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    I'm not saying you are stupid, but I'm saying Bernie is. You should be more careful of who your ideals follow. I am a Trump supporter for one reason. Turn this Deep State crap upside down. I don't care if he is crude. It's far past time for America to put Americans first.
     
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    Balto Well-Known Member

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    And I am a progressive for one reason. Because America is fundamentally a progressive nation. We had the Wright Brothers and Edison. We had Henry Ford and Walt Disney. Each of these guys moved and shaped both America and American culture forward in a fundamental, progressive way. America would be in total chaos without some type of regulatory state keeping industries that will forever need govt intervention like insurance (all types) in check, and always following protocol. I believe America is a humanitarian nation, and anyone who is on her sand is entitled to human rights. America puts humans first.

    Additionally, Bernie was one of the few senators who didn't vote for the disastrous War In Iraq. Practiced enough common sense there.
     
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    We don't agree but at least I can respect your point of view.
     
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    Belch Well-Known Member

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    No, I think it best to focus on countries that have tried it, and failed.
     
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    I would consider you regressive.

    that seems to be a bizarre bone to pick.

    no he will absolutely destroy that socialism is it downward spiral look at Venezuela.

    well conservatives would disagree with you. You are a regressive that's the farthest thing you can get from a conservative. I think our immigration laws are fine they just should be enforced.
     
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    That's just a twee excerpt from 'Business For Dummies'.


    Trumple, the deep state crushing saviour.

    :-D

    Grease your sphincter, it'll make the inevitable easier.
     
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    And yet the left will go to the mat to protect unvetted illegals rights to enter and re-enter the U.S. and even set up sanctuary cities to protect them, leftist are absolutely stunning hypocrites ;)
     
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    Morality....lolz! Poor lefties cannot attack Trump on performance so now they must pull something out of their butt.....
     
  23. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, but you imply that. You keep harping that "Just the leadership and a few rough agents." What about the tens of thousands of other employees? Do you agree that they are oath and honor-bound to report treasonous and/or criminal activity? Why didn't they do it?
     
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    IMO: Supporting the "lesser of two evils" is still supporting evil. We all had an honorable and moral third choice. Why more people didn't make that choice baffles me. But, you saying you took a moral stand at the ballot box, but still voted Clinton, is irreconcilable. That said, I was surprised and delighted that the lesser of the two evils actually won, and have been pleased with his performance, from an accomplishments perspective, thus far. Childish tweets notwithstanding.
     
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