Every American is Indebted to President Trump

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  1. rcfoolinca288

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    Bwahahahaha

    Replublicans in Congress are a bunch of do nothing wussies who can't even organize and stick together. Toughened up? LOL, thanks for the laugh.
     
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    What the hell are you talking about? Obama left us with a debt about 8 1/2 trillion. Trump before country? Did you forget what it was like before Trump came in? His policies has been all about country. You need to listen to something besides MSNBC and CNN. With Liberals, it's all about illegals and Party.
     
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    Killing Osama Bin Laden.
     
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    Obama left us a growing economy, if Trump wants to take credit for that, he also has to take credit for the growing debt Bush passed on to Obama

    fact is, Trump has set new records for the debt under his watch, with his huge tax cuts for the corps, the debt will grow even faster
     
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    A day late and a dollar short, By the time they found Bin Laden he had one foot in the grave anyway. Is that it? You must have really struggled if that's the best you can do.
     
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    Because they know the left would have set a bigger record.

    That's the problem you have with this discourse.
    Every time you mention it, you remind right wingers how much worse than Trump you are at economics.

    And that is how it is. No matter how bad Trump is, no matter how much he gets wrong, everybody knows you are much worse.

    So when you call him out on any shortfall, you just draw attention to your own even larger ones.

    You are the Teflon than Trump is wearing.
    The **** you fling at him, sticks better on you.



    If you want to beat Trump, you need to campaign on issues that are not the economy.
     
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    Agreed but Trump is not the lesser evil.
     
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    On economics I wouldn't really describe him as an evil at all.

    Anyone else but the left would have a fair point on deficit spending. But no lefty can make that stick.
     
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    Bush gave up on getting Bin Laden, under Obama we got him
     
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    the growing debt was caused by Republicans and their two 10+ year wars and tax cuts for the rich and continues to this day sadly

    that and of course foreign outsourcing and foreign imports that reduce tax revenue and spendable income for Americans

    I will give Trump some credit for trying to address trade, though I think he is going about it wrong as he is taking on too much too soon, he shoudl of targeted China first
     
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    Every day our country is going further into debt.
    So we are being indebted because of tRUMP. So the OP is kind a correct. Not indebted to tRUMP, but indebted because of tRUMP.
    tRUMP hates, mocks, ridicules the media and people reporters 24/7.
    Of course they hate tRUMP.
     
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    Dirty Donald has not enhanced or improved my life one iota since elected,nor has he improved t the lives of the vast majority of Americans.If you are a top ten percent income earner, you have made out like a bandit with his election.Gas costs more food and life's necessities costs more and clothing costs more since he was elected.
     
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    Great Post !!
     
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    At Trumps Inauguration I was shocked at how he dishonored a Important day for America.
    He criticized everyone instead of honoring our democracy.
    It's only has gone downhill after that.

    Instead of being the Leader of our Great Nation ...........

    Allies are going on a TV show knowing Trump is watching to plead their case That's just Fu$ked Up.

    Bullying Americans and world leaders. Escalating tensions with a dictator. Dissing NATO and our Allies.Carelessly imposing Tariffs

    Creating a division in American sports....... Is this what the President of America thinks is his job ? What the hell is wrong with Trump?

    Wealth shift Legislation for the Rich while raising the Debt in times of prosperity ??

    Trump doesn't have the character, morality or elementary knowledge to be President of the USA
     
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    They started it. Not he.

    What they really hate is that the internet has taken them out of the democratic process.
    That the power they used to have to validate the truth. To tell people what is or isn't the truth, has been sidelined.
    And where before they where the source of interpretation for political power, it's high priests, speaking truth to power to hold it to account, now they are only fake news.



    I suggest to you that every day your country is getting into debt because you want **** loads of government services and don't want to pay for them.
     
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    Oh come on.
    There are 100s of media outlets.
    10s of thousand of media reporters.
    Don't give me that crap they started it.
     
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    They did.

    When Trump ran for President, they went for him. Right from the very start they were laughing at him and calling him a nutjob. Saying how impossible it was for such a giant idiot to win.
    Trump in particular as an already famous outsider, got it in the neck extra thick.
    From day one, he had a worldwide international billing as the "joke candidate".
    Courtesy of the media.

    But it runs deeper than just Donald Trump.
    Reagun and Bush also got it worse than Carter, Clinton and Obama.
    They go for all right wing Presidents more than they do left wing presidents because of all those 100's of media outlets and thousands of media reporters, the vast bulk of them are left wing. It's an institutionally left wing industry world wide.

    Count the Trump supporting News services and the count the rest.
    Do you think the score is balanced? Is it an equal number?
    Of course not. It's not even close.

    And the exact opposite was true for Obama.


    But.. those days are over. The internet has ended them.
    Hopefully forever, although maybe just temporarily as recent events show the left wing bias rearing it's head over silicon valley.
     
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    Trump ain't got a clue about the economy, what-so-ever. That he is accumulating debt instead of reducing it speak volumes.
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    Trump, is nothing but a sucker for real fake news: https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/25/politics/donald-trump-qanon-white-house/index.html
    He is only sowing discord and division by blaming Democrats for everything without taking any responsibility whatsoever; it's parroted by a gullible following.
     
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    Here is the growing economy Obama left us.. Plenty of jobs, but almost all were service and part time jobs.

    • How good were the 10.9 million jobs under Obama?
      Money.CNN.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/...
      Nov 03, 2016 · CNNMoney breaks down what kinds of jobs have been created and ... Almost all of the job gains under President Obama have been in so-called service jobs,


    77 percent of 2013 jobs were part-time positions ...
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/2/part-timer-nation...
    Aug 02, 2013 · Fully 77 percent of positions added to the market in 2013 have been part-time, in contrast to the positive economic news making the media rounds, according to payroll reports released in recent weeks.


    The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants.

    In essence, the poor economy has replaced good jobs with bad ones. That is the conclusion of a new report from the National Employment Law Project, a research and advocacy group, analyzing employment trends four years into the recovery.

    “Fast food is driving the bulk of the job growth at the low end — the job gains there are absolutely phenomenal,” said Michael Evangelist, the report’s author. “If this is the reality — if these jobs are here to stay and are going to be making up a considerable part of the economy — the question is, how do we make them better?”

    The report shows that total employment has finally surpassed its pre-recession level. “The good news is we’re back to zero,” Mr. Evangelist said.

    But job losses and gains have been skewed. Higher-wage industries — like accounting and legal work — shed 3.6 million positions during the recession and have added only 2.6 million positions during the recovery. But lower-wage industries lost two million jobs, then added 3.8 million.
    HTTPS://www.nytimes.com/…/recovery-has-created-far-more-low…


    The American economy remains weak. Growth is at the lowest level in more than three decades. We created 54,000 fewer jobs in April and May than originally estimated, and the 215,000 jobs in July did not change the picture of a weakening jobs market. Wages have been rising at the slowest pace since the 1980s.

    In the first quarter of this year, the Financial Times reports that wages and salaries for U.S. Workers had the smallest quarterly gain since 1982. Current numbers show a mere 0.2 percent rise in employment costs, or wages, against the 0.6 percent that the financial world expected. This is the weakest recovery since World War II and much of it has not yet benefited a significant percentage of Americans.

    There are now 1.2 million fewer jobs in mid- and higher-wage industries than there were before the Great Recession, according to data from the National Employment Law Project. In contrast, there are 2.3 million more jobs in lower-wage sectors than before the recession," according to CNBC. Nor is there the hoped-for renaissance in American manufacturing. We have some 300,000 fewer manufacturing jobs since President Barack Obama took office and 1.5 million jobs below the pre-recession level.


    https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/23/the-part-time-economic-recovery
     
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    Trump will take the blame for any debt above the 19 trillion left by Obama. What has Trump got to show for it? Tens of thousands of good paying manufacturing jobs that Obama and Pelosi said were gone and not coming back. Jobs that will pay a living wage, unlike most of Obama's.

    A better armed and equipped military. Under Obama, about 50% of Air Force, 70% of Navy and 75% of Marine Corps fighter jets were grounded and couldn't fly for lack of parts and money. Most of the Marine Corps helicopters also were grounded.


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    about the same as now, though continuing to improve as it was when Obama passed it off to Trump... don't forget how the economy looked when it was passed to Obama - I just hope when Trump passes it off is better then when he got it and he does not pull another Bush
     
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    That's incorrect. He's been around for awhile and even ran for President before. It's not surprising that young people don't know this. We have people who can vote this November who were less than a year old and crapping their diapers on 9/11.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#Political_career
    Political activities up to 2015
    Trump's political party affiliation has changed numerous times over the years. He was a Democrat prior to 1987, when he registered as a Republican in Manhattan.[329]He switched to Independent in 1999, Democrat in 2001, and back to Republican in 2009.[329]

    In 1987 Trump spent almost $100,000 to place full-page advertisements in three major newspapers, proclaiming that "America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves".[330] The advertisements also advocated for "reducing the budget deficit, working for peace in Central America, and speeding up nuclear disarmament negotiations with the Soviet Union."[331] After rumors of a presidential run, Trump was invited by Democratic senators Jim Wright and John Kerry, and Arkansas congressman Beryl Anthony Jr., to host a fundraising dinner for Democratic Congressional candidates and to switch parties. Anthony told The New York Times that "the message Trump has been preaching is a Democratic message". Asked whether the rumors were true, Trump denied being a candidate, but said, "I believe that if I did run for President, I'd win."[331] According to a Gallup poll in December 1988, Trump was the tenth most admired man in America, behind Ted Kennedy and Bill Cosby.[332][333]

    2000 presidential campaign
    See also: Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2000
    In 1999, Trump filed an exploratory committee to seek the nomination of the Reform Party for the 2000 presidential election.[334][335] A July 1999 poll matching him against likely Republican nominee George W. Bush and likely Democratic nominee Al Gore showed Trump with seven percent support.[336] Trump eventually dropped out of the race, but still went on to win the Reform Party primaries in California and Michigan.[337][338] After his run, Trump left the party due to the involvement of David Duke, Pat Buchanan, and Lenora Fulani.[334] Trump also considered running for president in 2004.[339] In 2005, Trump said that he voted for George W. Bush.[340] In 2008, he endorsed Republican John McCain for president.[341]

    2012 presidential speculation
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    Trump speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference in February 2011
    Trump publicly speculated about running for president in the 2012 election, and made his first speaking appearance at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in February 2011. The speech is credited for helping kick-start his political career within the Republican Party.[342] On May 16, 2011, Trump announced he would not run for president in the 2012 election.[343] In February 2012, Trump endorsed Mitt Romney for president.[344]

    Trump's presidential ambitions were generally not taken seriously at the time.[345] Trump's moves were interpreted by some media as possible promotional tools for his reality show The Apprentice.[343][346][347] Before the 2016 election, The New York Times speculated that Trump "accelerated his ferocious efforts to gain stature within the political world" after Obama lampooned him at the White House Correspondents’ Association Dinner in April 2011.[348]

    2013–2015
    In 2013, Trump was a featured CPAC speaker.[349] In a sparsely-attended speech, he railed against illegal immigration while seeming to encourage immigration from Europe, bemoaned Obama's "unprecedented media protection", advised against harming Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, and suggested that the government "take" Iraq's oil and use the proceeds to pay a million dollars each to families of dead soldiers.[350][351] He spent over $1 million that year to research a possible 2016 candidacy.[352]

    In October 2013, New York Republicans circulated a memo suggesting Trump should run for governor of the state in 2014 against Andrew Cuomo. Trump responded that while New York had problems and its taxes were too high, he was not interested in the governorship.[353] A February 2014 Quinnipiac poll had shown Trump losing to the more popular Cuomo by 37 points in a hypothetical election.[354] In February 2015, Trump told NBC that he was not prepared to sign on for another season of The Apprentice, as he mulled his political future.[355]
     
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    Continue to improve under Obama? Didn't you read? Over 90% of Obama's jobs were service and part jobs. Loss of over 300,000 manufacturing jobs. Lets look at the jobs Trump is bringing in with his tax and regulation cuts.

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    Obama Flashback: Jobs NOT Coming Back Under Trump
    https://conservativetribune.com/obama-jobs-not-back-trump
    Obama Flashback: Jobs NOT Coming Back Under Trump. ... A man named Eric Cunningham said he noticed manufacturing jobs were ... CNN Has Just Gone

    LG Electronics

    Building U.S. Factory After President Trump Criticism ...
    Fortune.com/2017/02/28/lg-electronics-us-factory/
    Feb 28, 2017 - LG rival Samsung Electronics was also considering building a U.S. Manufacturing plant as a response to criticisms about imports from Trump,

    ExxonMobil

    On March 6, CEO Darren Woods said the company is investing $20 billion in Gulf Coast manufacturing operations over 10 years, creating 45,000 jobs.

    Charter Communications

    On March 24, Charter Communications announced plans to invest $25 billion in the United States and to hire 20,000 American workers in the next four years.

    U.S. Steel: 10,000 Jobs

    Next, during a December 7 broadcast of CNBC’s Power Lunch, the CEO of U.S. Steel Mario Longhi said that after the election of Donald Trump, he has “felt an environment of positive optimism where forces are converging to provide for a better environment,” which he hopes means he can rehire up to 10,000 employees who had been laid off.

    IBM: 25,000 Jobs

    A week after U.S. Steel noted its bullish outlook on the U.S. Economy, computing giant IBM also found its outlook had brightened and reported that it expects to create up to 25,000 new jobs in the U.S.

    Hasbro
    Is
    to start making play-doh in the U.S. Again.
    U.S. Hasbro, Inc. Is returning to the U.S. And will make the beloved children’s modeling clay in a Massachusetts factory rather than in China or Turkey.

    Toyota and Mazda

    To build $1.6 billion factory in the U.S ...
    Money.CNN.com/2017/08/04/news/economy/Mazda-Toyota-jobs-factory...
    Aug 04, 2017 · Toyota and Mazda have announced plans to build a $1.6 billion manufacturing plant in the United States that will create as many as 4,000 jobs.

    Fiat

    Chrysler Is Moving a Plant From Mexico to Michigan ...
    Fortune.com/2018/01/12/fiat-Chrysler-Michigan-Mexico-nafta
    Fiat Chrysler said it will shift Ram pickup truck production from Mexico to Michigan, lowering risk if President Trump pulls out of NAFTA.

    Apple

    Creates 2,000 jobs shifting production back to US ...
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/05/apple-creates...
    Apple creates 2,000 jobs shifting production back to US ... Engineering and construction jobs at a new plant in ... The first Macintosh computer made in America since ...

    Bayer AG (ADR)

    Bayer representatives announced that as part of their purchase of Monsanto, they were committing to keeping Monsanto’s 9,000 U.S. Jobs in the country, plus adding 3,000 new high-tech jobs for American workers.

    Ford Motor Company (NYSE:F)

    Ford Motor Company had been planning to build a $1.6 billion factory in Mexico.
    Instead, the company announced it was cancelling the Mexican car factory and added that it would invest $700 million to expand its Flat Rock Michigan factory. The money will go toward manufacturing high-tech electric, hybrid and autonomous cars and adds 700 U.S. Jobs.

    Hyundai Motor Co



    The South Korean auto maker announced it will boost its spending in the U.S. By 50% over planned levels, spending $3.1 billion over the next five years.

    That money will go to retooling Hyundai’s existing U.S. Factories and research into high-tech systems such as autonomous vehicles. Hyundai said it is also considering building a new factory specifically to build premium vehicles for the U.S. Market.

    The company didn’t give specific number for job creation, but with that kind of expenditure — and the possibility of a new factory — it’s definitely going to be more jobs for American workers.


    It's Chinese-made in America.


    "My production cost per ton of textiles is 25 percent lower [there]."

    In addition, he said, wages for him in China have been increasing 30 percent each year for much of the past decade. He has pledged $220 million to build and expand a facility in South Carolina and plans to eventually move the entire business to the U.S. Where he plans to employ more than 500 people by the end of the year.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apos-made-china-apos-could-042148976.html



    Intel, in Show of Support for Trump, Announces Factory in Arizona
    https://www.nytimes.com/.../trump-intel-chip-factory-arizona.html
    Feb 08, 2017 · “The people of Arizona will be very happy. It’s a lot of jobs,” President Trump said after
     
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    We don’t know if his wealth is legit. The fact he had to force his way into lithe Fortune 500 is a red flag he is not even a billionaire.

    Trump has always been about power. His power and ego has ruled how he did business, it’s compromising his dignity and name in the WH. It’s not for the love of country. It’s so Trump can say he’s been there, done that. He feels the need to surround himself with yes men, thus why all the pointless rallies.

    No one is indebted to Trump, not one single ounce.
     
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