Every day hundreds of Dutch school children are forced to bow to Islam

They're children, they're vulnerable and tend to be submissive of the authority of their teacher. Only the parents may decide if their children should pray or not.
The way you present religions is indoctrination. I doubt they have a complete report on the positive and negative sides of Islam. So yes, when you present truncated informations about a religion to make it look good, it's state propaganda. Furthermore, and you never answered on that point, you can present other religions without making the children pray the way of this religion.

They even put those children into a small danger, very small, but in danger still.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam#Public_opinion
https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...ntries-where-atheism-punishable-death/355961/

Atheists living in 13 countries risk being condemned to death, just for their beliefs (or non-belief) according to a new, comprehensive report from the International Humanist and Ethical Union out on Tuesday. All 13 countries identified by the study are Muslim majority.


The countries that impose these penalties are Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen. With the exception of Pakistan, those countries all allow for capital punishment against apostasy, i.e., the renunciation of a particular religion. Pakistan, meanwhile, imposes the death penalty for blasphemy, which can obviously include disbelief in God.

Next insult and you get blocked.

It's borderline for every religions. Except historical visits. The state has no right to make religious indoctrination to children. And considering the laws about apostasy in islam world, it make it just even worse in that specific case.

A kid is vulnerable on the pyschological point of view, forcing or encouraging them to pray in a religion, when in situation of authority but the parents, is simply abuse.

 

Again, I see no evidence the children were forced to do anything. You seem upset that the children's education was conflicting with the indoctrination YOU want to do to them. If these were your children I guess that's your right, but seeing that requiring parental consent for field trips is well-nigh universal in the civilized world nowadays I doubt that's the case..

The muslim prayer position is very different from any other religions and puts one in a position both vulnerable and appearing ridiculous. If you want to make children properly sensitive to that it really helps to actually put them in it.

OH, and do we have any more real evidence that this whole incident took place at all?

 

He has no counter argument

 

If it were voluntary we could expect some of the childen to not bow

It looks like they were required to practice islam

 

No, it looks like they were trying to be polite to the nice Imam

Children are not adults, they are generally unaware that their religion may require them to be insulting blockheads when dealing with others.

I did notice one little girl was giggling. The imam didn't behead her or anything

 

WTF ...! I have made no insult!

In some countries, there are concrete religious instruction in schools ... partly divided into Christians and Muslims ... in other countries there is a pseudo-teaching that is very general "life education" and is nothing else, but without a specific connection with a religion!

And what the hack is wrong, if you take children in a week with a church and shows them everything and how Christians pray to their god and the week after that you do the same in a mosque and then another week you go. .. no idea ... in a Hindu temple.
You're acting as if the schools go into a porn cinema with these kids ...!

And btw ... I'm a convinced atheist myself!

 

The parents are the only who should be in right to do the religious education of their parent. It's not education, it's indoctrination.
Like I mentionned it many times, children doesn't have full consent ability, that's true for contracts, sexual activities, religion.

I doubt that the parental consent was about "making children pray the muslim way".

There is video.

Yes, nazi and low brained right winger are clearly compliments.

That's just religious propaganda, not instruction.

There is a difference by showing something to children as "look how the nice man do" and "do like him". They could have shown how muslims pray without making children take the position.
I'm already hostile to religious "instruction", but by making children pray, that's for me a step too much. That's true for every religion, but because of the laws of some countries, it create even more problems for Islam.

 

Oh, willya stop. The only reason anyone would get upset at this is because the children aren't being told they should beat up little Abdul in the schoolyard because his religion says he has to kill us all. And for all we know the entire incident was staged to give the balmy blog "reporting" it a scoop

 

You're good at building strawman, I guess you have something against bird. I'm shocked that the school abuse of their authority to make children pray something.
You can show children how muslims pray without making them pray and it seems to me highly suspicious that schools teach some propaganda about any religion in the first place.

 

By which you mean postrating which isn't Islamic in origin. It's the ideal way to pray in most religions, just google pics of Jews praying at the Wailing Wall, they aren't Muslims.

 

Gun grabber. I want my 110mm smoothbore howitzer, and where's the nuclear bomb for my Atomic Cannon?

 

oh yeah... wearing a burqa and everything. lol

 

Would you feel the same way if the religion was Christianity?

 

I don't think my opinion would change really, I don't approve of muslim countries that persecute Christians, but short of invading them, killing all their leaders and forcibly "converting" their people what can you do? Do you think we should do that?

 

I wonder when we will see muslim kids attending mass?

 

mercy buckets.

 

Yep there are problems with multiculturalism that we are constantly addressing. There ain't no magic wand, its a constant work in progress.

Such issues being raised are at the heart of the concept. Finding reasonable limits and accomodations is what it is all about.

And of course, sometimes the loudest voices are the most bigotted (regardless of side).

For instance the argument about prayer in schools, is to respect and allow VOLUNTARY religious observance. IN this case not five times a day, but once a week, apart from non believers.

Its not an issue of starting the day with a prayer for everyone in the school, like it was when I was a lad.

 

I wonder which Saint Petersburg building Voice of Europe is managed from?

 

I find it insulting to the intelligence of people that come here hoping to have some intelligent discourse on credible topics of the day and instead find crap like this here, it's very disappointing.
Your site is a fringe element propaganda site. Not a single word of that article is verifiable by any legitimate news outlet.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/voice-of-europe/



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I assume, Roadster, you will never have the guts to reply to this comment, nor do I believe that you are a Dutch national. (And if you are you are a traitor to your nation.)
This video is nothing but the most blatant Nazi-inspired propaganda that would make Joseph Goebbels proud.
https://everipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels/

Could it be that you admire him? Or perhaps, at least, Geert Wilders who is nothing but the scum-re-incarnation of Anton Mussert.
https://everipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Mussert/

Let me correct the false reality you presented;

NO children in the Netherlands are forced to bow to Islam as the video claims.
This was nothing more then children learning about a religion, perhaps other than their own.
It's called being educated. Something you apparently missed out on, promoting this Third Reich trash.

There is NO support in the Netherlands to transform into a Nazi-state!! Because we all know how that ends. (Except you Roadster, apparently)
It will end with the deportation of an entire ethnic community, Muslim, Jew or otherwise, because one individual couldn't bare the sight of them.

Rest assure; the Netherlands are NOT going back to some 1940's fascist ruled regime or any other oppressed state, not by Geert Wilders or any other Hitler inspired fanatic and, certainly, not by your
scaremongering.

The parks in the Netherlands will stay open for Muslims, Jews or any other ethnicity to enjoy in freedom.
As will the swimming-pools, cinema's and what not.

And in all those places Muslims, Jews or any other ethnicity will have the freedom to worship as they please.

That must scare you to death, right Roadster?

Try this;

Those schoolchildren you so blatantly mis-represented will grow up in that same religious freedom, learning a principal rule of human behavior; respect one anothers religion!

And then you and your fascist-inspired ideology will have lost.

Forever.


The children are our future.

 

You ain't seen nuthin' yet.

We have more than a handful of radical racist right wing fascist fringers around here and a sprinkling of far left loonies.

A few months ago there was a request for input about dealing with fake news, but apparently it went nowhere other than give a lot of people the opportunity to vent against the trolls and the bullshit.

This site is a microcosm afterall.

 

And yet people call them 'uncivilized!

Did the little girl say she was a Christian? That's the true test of their magnanimity.

 

Never, at the risk of their lives. The only time Muslims are interested in Churches or Synagogues is when they bomb them.

 

Too much hyperbole and personal invective to encourage a serious response.

 

Are Muslim terrorists right wing or left wing?