Everyone's Really Agnostic

I rest my case.....by the way, the rest of the world refers to science and verified data.

 

No that is not a religion, it is based on the evidence that most road bridges in the west do not collapse, if I was asked to drive over a bridge you designed watch my faith disappear! If you like you can say I am a gambler that the designer of the bridge did his job right!

Faith like belief has both a non religious context and a religious one.
Faith in bridge designers, not religious.
Faith in gods, religious
Got that.

 

You need to stop accusing others of things they could accuse you of, whether illiteracy, or dishonesty, or cognitive dissonance, or soapbox rhetoric. Definitely do not go running to a moderator about others going off topic when you do this. Just stick to the ideas. Stop attacking people, directly or underhandedly.

Yes, this is where YOU start from, since you or I and anyone else can neither prove nor disprove the existence of god, hence backing up the OP on this, but you accept it as true, on faith. Atheists are not starting from this position. This is strictly projection from you. It is absurdly false.

It is also impossible to prove. So you, a believer, or a theist, or whichever title you prefer, and an atheist, if asked if you believe in the existence of god, have different answers. You accept that there is a god, when you can't prove or disprove the existence of one, and as such, this is you exhibiting faith. Look at the synonyms you posted: trust, belief, confidence, conviction, optimism, hopefulness, hope.

The atheist does not have that faith that you do in whether or not a god exists. The proposition has been considered and then resulted in a lack of faith in it, a lack of trust in it, a lack of belief in it, a lack of confidence in it, a lack of optimism in it, a lack of hopefulness in it, a lack of hope in it. The atheist position is the opposite of faith when it comes to belief in a god or god's existence. Your conclusion in number three is unmistakably false.

Further, all atheists don't stand firm on the position of there being no god. You listed those weak vs strong comparisons yourself, not a few posts ago.

This is the amplification of something untrue and bad just made horribly worse.

 

I dont recall science proving God does not exist, seems your case doesnt sleep very well, taking notice that you are resting your case without citing the rest of the world to prove the obvious false claim you posted.

 

See...that simply exemplifies my point. It has been explained to you many times (including by myself) that neither science or anyone else can prove a God does not exist, nor do they try. Proving YOUR God does not exist is easily done and has been many times simply by reading the Bible(s) that explain it and noting impossibility. I cannot site the "Rest of the world" because there is not enough server space, and it is obvious to everyone except you.

 

My point is technically all of them are agnostics because there is no way to absolutely disprove or prove God. The strong atheist and strong theist may believe 100% or 0% in God but one of them is wrong and it is near impossible to determine which one. This is why atheists and theists need to stop fighting because nobody really knows.
It is certain there is no God > false
It is certain there is a God > false
It is possible there is no God > true
It is possible there is a God > true
I believe there is very little chance of there being a God, but admit there is still a chance.

 

I used to believe this, but I no longer do. I do question whether there is a force about us we do not understand, but I have given up on my belief in the biblical God because the bible does not reflect the god the churches preach.

 

Not one god of any kind has ever proved that it exists. Consequently for all practical purposes gods don't exist because they don't do anything to affect our existence. Everything that will happen to us has already happened to countless people and other life forms throughout the existence of this planet.

 

Then clearly any such "proof" is an illusion, because no one has ever proven that any event recorded in the Bible is impossible.

 

I consider myself a non-theist. Even if there is some big bad entity that claims to rule the universe, I won't worship it or be obedient to it simply because it demands it.

 

....uh....one(1) example of very many.

The Earth does not, and never has had enough water on it to submerge all the mountains upon it. This is ansolutely proven fact by both geology and oceanography....this cannot be denied.

 

No, that is a conclusion drawn from available evidence, and taken as fact by those who vainly imagine a God Who reportedly made the Sun stationary relative to the Earth for three days couldn't have caused such a flood in a manner consistent with said evidence.

 

And as I showed upthread, that point is nonsensical.

 

Okay then...I now understand your mentality and realize this conversation is pointless.

Have a Nice Day

 

If anyone questions why I'm an atheist, it's nonsense like this.

 

No, you just know you can't find fault with anything I said...

...any more than you can.

 

It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.
-- Voltaire

I have not the patience.

 

If only you understood how truly he wrote.

More to the point, you don't have the truth.

 

The Noah rainfall is 6.05+ inches per minute every minute for 40 days and nights. At that rate the water would displace all of the air and cause suffocation. The noise would be deafening. The water force would quickly destroy a wooden boat. In addition, there's zero evidence that Assyria, Persia, Arabia, and Ethiopia were ever flooded as described in the fairy tale.