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    Where were we?
     
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    Where do I mention "ELG"?
     
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    DEBUNK THIS FOR ME PLEASE:

    Everyone seems to forget the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof", in the 14th amendment, which is why the law/amendment went astray. The Congressional records of the 14th amendment debates, give us Trumbull’s exact definition of the intent of his Citizenship Clause amendment to the bill.

    Who would know the intent of the Citizenship Clause better than anyone, than the person who co-authored the clause himself? Senator Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, author of the Thirteenth Amendment, and the one who inserted the citizenship clause into the 14th amendment is on record during the bebates saying:

    "The provision is, that 'all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.' That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof. 'What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."
    (Congressional Globe, Senate, 39th Congress, 1st Session, pg 2893)
     
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    Sorry, but McCain is NOT Native Born. Native means indigenous to the Land (America) and McCain was not born in America. McCain is a natural born citizen because he had full allegiance at birth, which was conferred to him through his 2 American citizen parents.

    Jindal and Rubio are Native American Citizens because they were born here in America. However, they are not natural born citizens, because their parents hadn't naturalized by the time they were born. They didn't get their NATURALIZED citizenship until their fathers were naturalized, which was then conferred to them as children. That is why Jindal and Rubio are not eligible for the Presidency, because they are not natural born citizens, they are naturalized native born citizens.
     
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    Thanks, but my case hasn't gone to court yet, so how could it have failed? It should be scheduled within the next month or so! The defendants were just served on the 27th and they have 30 days to reply, I can't wait to see them dispute my evidence!

    If you'd like to read my petition, it can be found here:


    http://www.scribd.com/doc/86426592/...enge-Petition-to-remove-Obama-from-the-ballot
     
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    WOW, did you happen to know that slavery was abolished and they were all given citizenship by the Civil Rights Act/14th amendment and the right to vote, as well?

    But guess what? They never changed Article 2 Section 1, so it still stands, til this day!

    Imagine that!
     
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    Show me the phrase/clause/sentence that states being born on US Soil without full allegiance, is a natural born citizen!
     
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    The opinion in Wong Kim Ark was given by Justice Horace Gray. The opinion in Elk v Wilkens is ALSO given by Justice Horace Gray. So Justice Horace Gray has a difference of opinion OR as I said WKA does not say that Wong was a natural born citizen.

    In Elk v. Wilkins, Gray IS talking about Natural Born Citizens, unlike WKA!

    Besides, Justice Horace Gray was appointed by the original usurper Chester Arthur, so once we prove Obama is not a natural born citizen, it was also prove that neither was Chester Arthur and WKA will be VOID, as it should be!

    So again, read it and weep!

    Elk v. Wilkins 112 U.S. 94 (1884) Justice Gray cites Chief Justice Taney:

    The distinction between citizenship by birth and citizenship by naturalization is clearly marked in the provisions of the Constitution, by which “No person, except a natural born citizen or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the office of President," and "The Congress shall have power to establish an uniform rule of naturalization." Constitution, Article II, Section 1; Article I, Section 8.

    By the Thirteenth Amendment of the Constitution, slavery was prohibited. The main object of the opening sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment was to settle the question, upon which there had been a difference of opinion throughout the country and in this Court, as to the citizenship of free negroes Scott v. Sandford, 19 How. 393, and to put it beyond doubt that all persons, white or black, and whether formerly slaves or not, born or naturalized in the United States, and owing no allegiance to any alien power, should be citizens of the United States and of the state in which they reside. Slaughterhouse Cases,16 Wall. 36, 83 U.S. 73;Strauder v. West Virginia, 100 U.S. 303,100 U.S. 306
     
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    The 14th amendment was authored by the Honorable John Bingham. The original bill did not include the citizenship clause. The bill passed the House, but would not pass the Senate, until Senators Howard and Trumbull offered their amendment which was adopted into the bill. Their amendment (the citizenship clause) said:

    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

    During the 14th amendment debates, other Senators wanted to know what "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" meant. Trumbull is on record telling them EXACTLY what his provision meant and I QUOTE:

    "The provision is, that 'all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.' That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANYBODY ELSE. That is what it means."

    He wrote the law, so he would know best the intention behind it!

    http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage...3.db&recNum=14
     
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    ok. wong kim ark v the US, and plyler v doe.
     
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    Show me the line in WKA that proves your claim!
    POST it here!
     
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    and guess what, obama perfectly meets the requirements in article 2 section 1. that's why he's POTUS, and you're (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about it on the internet.
     
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    already refuted in the last thread.
     
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    I am not going to try to argue with you- I will just point out that every legal authority that has reviewed this issue has said you are wrong:

    There is only one court decision which squarely interprets the "natural born citizen" clause as applied to a candidate for president, which is Ankeny v. Daniels, 916 N.E.2d 678 (Indiana Ct. App. 2009, ). The Ankeny court ruled that the citizenship of President Obama's father is irrelevant:

    Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.

    The Indiana Court of Appeals has actual real legal experts.

    I find them far more convincing than you.

    Especially since their opinion is reflected by the opinion of the voters, and Congress and every other legal authority.
     
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    already refuted in the last thread.
     
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    See the thing is....we don't have to prove anything to you.

    Actual legal experts have already decided this and said exactly why WKA applies:

    There is only one court decision which squarely interprets the "natural born citizen" clause as applied to a candidate for president, which is Ankeny v. Daniels, 916 N.E.2d 678 (Indiana Ct. App. 2009, ). The Ankeny court ruled that the citizenship of President Obama's father is irrelevant:

    Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.
     
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    Then show me the text in WKA that you say proves your claim!

    ( . ) ( . )
     
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    yes, your case will be dismissed. and yes, there have been several cases that were heard on the merits, and every one of them resulted in yet another birther fail
     
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